Conley Officially a Jazzman

[Handlogten's Heros]

You're preaching to the choir. FO values Favors at $18M over Bjelica at $7 or whatever.

And I understand the argument of "Favs anchors the bench units"... sweet then steal Bjelica and sign Ed Davis to a 1 year $8m deal with a second year team option (much more than he will actually get btw) and use the remaining amount to sign Caruso... I will take Bjelica, Davis, Caruso with the contract flexibility they provide over Favs. Favs is by far the best player in that group... but we don't get the full value.

I know you are on board... just spitballing/venting a bit.

 

[fishonjazz]

Niang grabs 6.1 rebounds per 36. Love grabs 14.4. I believe Love is a better defender than Niang. Love isn't a great defender, but I don't think he's a complete sieve like he's portrayed.

Love is the worst version of himself that he has ever been and making more money than he has ever made. And he is likely to get worse in the future while making another couple of million more the next two years than he did this last year (then there is another year after that when he makes what he made last year when he wasn't very good and he will certainly be worse)

Horrible business decision.

It's usually best to buy low and sell high.

A move to acquire love would be the opposite.

I have already said I don't want him in the paint grabbing rebounds. Gobert will handle the paint. Our 4 needs to guard the perimeter and shoot threes. Stay out da paint!

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Baynes and #14 seems fair. We would have $10 million of cap + #14 + the room exception ($4.7) to fill out the roster.

Doumbouya, Rui or Clarke would be awesome.

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You won't get #14 imo

 

[Shad]

Love is the worst version of himself that he has ever been and making more money than he has ever made. And he is likely to get worse in the future while making another couple of million more the best two years than he did this last year (then there is another year after that when he makes what he made last year when he wasn't very good and he will certainly be worse)

Horrible business decision.

It's usually best to buy low and sell high.

A move to acquire love would be the opposite.

I have already said I don't want him in the paint grabbing rebounds. Gobert will handle the paint. Our 4 needs to guard the perimeter and shoot threes. Stay out da paint!

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Kevin Love shoots 3. I hope the jazz have big balls and do it just so I can see the implosion on the forum and then when we make it to the finals, I'll bring the crow out for everyone

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

@fishonjazz isn't saying Love is better than Niang… it's a value judgement.

The things we like most about Love:

- good shooter
- good passer
- good rebounder
- can post smaller guys up

The things we don't like about Love:

- defensive liability

Niang shares some of those similarities and some of the weaknesses but he comes at 1/28th of the cost. Love is overkill for what we need now. I don't think Niang is the guy yet, but he should get 10-15 minutes a night next season to hopefully prove he could be.

Love is just too spendy.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kevin Love shoots 3. I hope the jazz have big balls and do it just so I can see the implosion on the forum and then when we make it to the finals, I'll bring the crow out for everyone

You still haven't answered my question.
Yes love shoots 3's. Is he the only player who does that?

Why wouldn't you rather have a guy who provides what love does who is also younger, cheaper, and healthier? Do you just hate the jazz?

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[fishonjazz]

@fishonjazz isn't saying Love is better than Niang… it's a value judgement.

The things we like most about Love:

- good shooter
- good passer
- good rebounder
- can post smaller guys up

The things we don't like about Love:

- defensive liability

Niang shares some of those similarities and some of the weaknesses but he comes at 1/28th of the cost. Love is overkill for what we need now. I don't think Niang is the guy yet, but he should get 10-15 minutes a night next season to hopefully prove he could be.

Love is just too spendy.

Exactly.

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[LoPo]

You won't get #14 imo

Probably not, but that's where the conversation starts for me. Favors does fit in that Horford role pretty well. For almost half the price. Hayward would probably sign off on a Favors deal too.

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[416Klawzz]

Bjelica shot 48/41/76 this year... averages as many points and steals as Jae per 36 but gets more rebounds, assists, and blocks... question... which of those guys looks like a stiff based on the numbers?

Niko's playoff minute stats in pts/Rebs/asts in the ECF when it mattered and B's playoff minutes this year equaling 0/0/0

 

[Shad]

Bjel isn't on the market. Cant get him. We cant sign Niko without waiving Favors anyways so who does fish propose we get then?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Or love

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I take both of those over Love by a lot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Probably not, but that's where the conversation starts for me. Favors does fit in that Horford role pretty well. For almost half the price. Hayward would probably sign off on a Favors deal too.

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I think they were rumored to be after Vucevic too... I'm not sure if they are clearing space to get a center and our deal give them that or something else. To have real space they kinda need to release Rozier's caphold and I'm not sure they want to do that.

Another thing I'd consider is Semi and Baynes plus a second or solid sweetner… then we just take him into space and waive Favs.