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Inn Dawn said:
When the hoi polloi fund certain elements of the business, it'd be nice if the product was desirable.
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Surely, you don't think the voters agree to that because of the assumed esthetic quality of the product. Unless I missed something, tax-dollar funded arenas are sold to voters based on the idea of job creation. I don't know who your local representative is, but I'm quite certain they didn't campaign for public funding for an arena based on "We're going to win the chip, baby!"

Now, if you had a gripe with what economic benefit ESA has wrought, that's a valid complaint. Even then, I think you're better off taking it up with your representative than with Greg Miller. "My tax money was used for the arena and I want Burks to play more?" That just makes you sound like a child.
 
JimLes said:
He is privy to much more info than any of us. That alone should be sufficient. Unless you claim that despite having access to infinitely less information, you are still able to make better decisions.
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Watching four years of Corbin is more than enough information to make an intelligent decision. And in order to make an intelligent decision, you have to be a knowledgeable observer. You have to have played to know when quickness trumps size or where power trumps quickness, or how to position yourself, box out, and move your feet on D, set yourself for your shot, and as a coach notice who not only who demonstrates the abilities to do those things but whether they are doing them properly. What guys see the floor and do the small things to make your team better, like getting back on D or making the extra pass. Just a whole bunch of things. Recognizing matchups. Looking at players' bad habits, like turning your head on D or not moving without the ball, or putting the ball on the floor unnecessarily, I could on and on about things someone who's into the game notices. I don't know; maybe Greg is a total basketball fanatic like Locke, though I doubt it. Locke was going on and on about Favors back step dribble and crossover. Yeah, it was a nice move, but I did that move in my sleep when I was young, and so did many other guys I played against on the playgrounds.

Yeah, Greg knows the people, the personalities, but how much does he know about basketball?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Given how I see you post, a lot more than you.
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Can you explain yourself. I like to have some substance to back up an opinion. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.

In other words, all those fundamentals I mentioned don't mean anything to you, is that it? I see Jazz players who fail to adhere to those fundamentals. Maybe they need better coaching, you think?
 
Nothing we say or do is going to influence the decision. Nothing Corbin does over the last 15 games is going to change Lindsey's mind. He's already made the decision to keep Corbin or thank him for his service and let him leave as a "free agent."

I will say this...if Corbin comes back and most of you are so irate about the decision, vote with your $. Stop going to the games. Stop buying Jazz merchandise. That's how you send the message that losing is unacceptable. And don't give me the sorry old line that weak attendance will force the Millers to sell the team to a Seattle group. The appreciation of the franchise and amortization of the ESA far outstrip any short-term losses they might incur. They'd be looking to sell both in any deal, which means a group would have to keep the team in SLC. Besides, Seattle is too valuable to the NBA as an empty city. Look how that threat got Sacramento to cough up funds to keep the Kings; it can be used over and over again to get other cities to fall in line.
 
Core4 said:
Nothing we say or do is going to influence the decision. Nothing Corbin does over the last 15 games is going to change Lindsey's mind. He's already made the decision to keep Corbin or thank him for his service and let him leave as a "free agent."

I will say this...if Corbin comes back and most of you are so irate about the decision, vote with your $. Stop going to the games. Stop buying Jazz merchandise. That's how you send the message that losing is unacceptable. And don't give me the sorry old line that weak attendance will force the Millers to sell the team to a Seattle group. The appreciation of the franchise and amortization of the ESA far outstrip any short-term losses they might incur. They'd be looking to sell both in any deal, which means a group would have to keep the team in SLC. Besides, Seattle is too valuable to the NBA as an empty city. Look how that threat got Sacramento to cough up funds to keep the Kings; it can be used over and over again to get other cities to fall in line.
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How could they be so insane to keep Corbin. Obviously, then, Lindsey is not making the decision if they keep him.
 
Why would the jazz owners or management listen to the fans about Corbin this year?

Last year all the fans were whining and complaining about playing the young players, so they let all the vets go, gave majors minutes to the young guys and the fans have responded by showing up by the dozens to home games.

They might listen to their corporate sponsors, they might listen to lower bowl season ticket holders, but I doubt they are going to listen to the"fans" for a long time.
 
mellow said:
Why would the jazz owners or management listen to the fans about Corbin this year?

Last year all the fans were whining and complaining about playing the young players, so they let all the vets go, gave majors minutes to the young guys and the fans have responded by showing up by the dozens to home games.

They might listen to their corporate sponsors, they might listen to lower bowl season ticket holders, but I doubt they are going to listen to the"fans" for a long time.
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I like how you say major minutes to the young guys. That's an oversimplification of what has occurred. They let vets go and Ty is still relying on vets, only vets of lesser quality. Ty is not using the young guys properly. That's why I'm unhappy and his poor leadership has not instilled confidence in the players and has turned off the fans.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I like how you say major minutes to the young guys. That's an oversimplification of what has occurred. They let vets go and Ty is still relying on vets, only vets of lesser quality. Ty is not using the young guys properly. That's why I'm unhappy and his poor leadership has not instilled confidence in the players and has turned off the fans.
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Exactly.
In a REBUILDING year, why the hell do you give MAJOR minutes to a guy like RJ who is NOT part of the future? Marvin, perhaps I can understand...there might be a genuine interest in bringing him back. But why not evaluate players like Clark, etc. Why not play Hayward and Burks together? And instead of blaming Kanter for the 1-14 start, when the Jazz were led by Lucas III and Tinsley, WHY NOT try giving some rotation time to the Burks, Burke, Hayward, Favors and Kanter quintet? Even the players are scratching their heads over that one.

As to mellow's assertions that the fans having been showing up by the dozens, well, I guess that's true. There are still thousands going to the games, but home attendance is the LOWEST it has been since the team moved from the Salt Palace and down 4% from last season. Even the pitiful team of 2004-05 averaged nearly 1,000 more per game than this year's version. The team of "no-names" the previous season that almost made the playoffs averaged 1,200 more. This team is simply BORING. There is nothing to watch. There is no evidence of a young team getting better, no evidence the team is struggling while learning a new offense or defense, but that once the learning curve is conquered, the team will play better.

That the team even still draws 17,900 is evidence of the HOPE that Jazz fans have. And I quote, "Commitment to the rebuild took faith and market research. Rigby said Jazz officials also heard the message from fans last season that they would endure rebuilding, taking "short-term pain for a long-term reward.""

The JAZZ DID listen to fans, even to the point of doing market research. I guarantee you, though, that attendance will drop dramatically if the rebuild doesn't starting showing results next season.

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/57678070-87/jazz-season-attendance-fans.html.csp
 
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