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Controversy in Provo/This guy doesn't care much for BYU (merged)

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Remember when the Utah bball player was accused of using the n word and it turned out it was totally made up? I've seen it at the high school level, too (even with refs). And one thing the accusers almost always have in common is this . . . they lost.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Well he for sure had something to do with it. It may not have been his final decision, but he was in the booth when it happened.

I know if I was relying on someone to tell me which car was the best, and they told me to get a Ford, and then I found out that they were getting their info from someone who has worked at Ford for the last 21 years, I would think it was biased. Even if the Ford employee was not the one giving me the final recommendation, and the guy who gave me the final recommendation actually made the decision as to which car to recommend, it is still probably going to be a biased recommendation.
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Do you actually have any knowledge of the guys role in the replay booth? How do you know he wasn't there simply to provide technical assistance? He's a VIDEOGRAPHER. Not a replay official. From that definition alone, it sounds to me as if he's there to run the equipment. But then again, I'm a BYU fan, so clearly I'm biased.
 
catratcho said:
Do you actually have any knowledge of the guys role in the replay booth? How do you know he wasn't there simply to provide technical assistance? He's a VIDEOGRAPHER. Not a replay official. From that definition alone, it sounds to me as if he's there to run the equipment. But then again, I'm a BYU fan, so clearly I'm biased.
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Well the videographer is in charge of providing the best angle to the replay official. I would say that is a pretty important job that absolutely plays a role in the final decision. How do you know this guy provided the angle that we have all seen, which shows it was clearly a fumble? But what do I know, I'm just a Utah fan who has seen BYU get plenty of questionable calls every time the Utes play in Provo.
 
SaltyDawg said:
How do you know this guy provided the angle that we have all seen, which shows it was clearly a fumble?
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How do you know he didn't?
I'll put this quote the OP provided from the SL Trib:
"A source who has intimate knowledge of what goes on in replay booths at Mountain West Conference stadiums says head replay official Mike Angelis of Reno, Nev., is entirely responsible for botching a critical replay review in BYU’s 24-21 win against San Diego State last Saturday.

Furthermore, the source says the MWC is throwing the two other replay staffers in the booth that day — including BYU employee Chad Bunn — “under the bus” by suspending them along with Angelis for a game and unfairly allowing blame to be cast on them although they were acting only in supporting roles that day.

“At the end of the day, it is the head replay official, a real paid referee, who makes the call,” said the source. “Bottom line is the referee [Angelis] blew the call.”
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So, from what you're saying, someone who has "intimate knowledge of what goes on in replay booths" would know less about it than you do? But then again, the SL Trib is clearly biased.
SaltyDawg said:
But what do I know, I'm just a Utah fan who has seen BYU get plenty of questionable calls every time the Utes play in Provo.
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Still hung up on that, huh? It's not like Utah has never received a questionable call at home, either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a wise move to have a University employee having anything to do with officiating or replays in any way, shape, or form. But to say that because he was there he obviously had some influence in the decision is just asinine.
 
It was an awful call, it didn't make any sense. You can understand sometimes because the play/camera angles might be a little iffy, but that was really one of the clearest cut reviews you can see. But, of course, the problem with people even bringing it up post game is that they are assuming that the game would have played out the exact same way. That happened with a couple of minutes at the end of the 3rd with BYU leading 17-14.
 
catratcho said:
How do you know he didn't?
I'll put this quote the OP provided from the SL Trib:

So, from what you're saying, someone who has "intimate knowledge of what goes on in replay booths" would know less about it than you do? But then again, the SL Trib is clearly biased.

Still hung up on that, huh? It's not like Utah has never received a questionable call at home, either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a wise move to have a University employee having anything to do with officiating or replays in any way, shape, or form. But to say that because he was there he obviously had some influence in the decision is just asinine.
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Everything you posted simply said it was not this guy's final decision. We know that. But we also know the guy making the final decision is depending on this guy to be unbiased in order to get a proper decision. Like I said, if Consumer Reports based their best car recommendations on info they got from a Ford employee, the report would be biased. Even if the Ford employee was not the one who made the final recommendation, it would still be a biased report.

And this "source" was not in the replay booth, so they don't know if this guy provided all the replay angles or not. All the "source" is saying is it wasn't the videographer's final decision. But the videographer absolutely plays a role in the final decision, whether BYU fans want to admit it or not. The final decision is almost entirely based on the videographer's video feed.

So if the final decision is based almost entirely on the videographer's video feed, and we see a blatantly blown call that replays clearly showed was blown, it does make you wonder what feed the replay official was looking at. And when the videographer gets suspended after an investigation, I think that says a lot. The fact that he was a current BYU employee (for the past 21 years) only makes it worse.
 
What this guy said was unwarranted. There are blacks walking all over the place in Provo. And we love gays and lesbians -- we just don't want them to fall in love. Or do anything that shows they might be gay. But we LOVE them.

It's totally easy to find coffee there, I mean, there is a starbucks on a road somewhere. And then some gas stations have high quality beans. Anyway, this doesn't matter, the guy shouldn't be drinking coffee anyway, it's bad for him. If he wants to be gay while holding a frappucino, he should move to Sodom and Gomorrah.

-Craig
 
SaltyDawg said:
And this "source" was not in the replay booth, so they don't know if this guy provided all the replay angles or not. All the "source" is saying is it wasn't the videographer's final decision. But the videographer absolutely plays a role in the final decision, whether BYU fans want to admit it or not. The final decision is almost entirely based on the videographer's video feed.
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Do you really not think that part of the investigation was to make sure the ref had seen every possible angle including the shot which showed the fumble? At the very least, this ref has been called out for doing a poor job. Do you really think the ref would't step forward and let someone know that he hadn't seen it?
 
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