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Cooper Flagg wants another year in college

gomretat said:
Good prospects staying an extra year in college because the NIL money is great. Just impacts timing - when a player will enter is up in the air now.
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Serious questions, since I'm not paying much attention:
  • Does the NIL money in football affect the choices of top draft picks, or primarily only middling/lower draft picks?
  • What (in approximate terms) is the ratio of NIL money to NFL money for the players who might choose to stay in college? How does this compare to the ratio for those in basketball?
 
Just did a quick google search and found this from last year. Plenty of talk about it and I dont remember all of the players but this year in football there were a few surprises such as Carson Beck who was expected to enter the NFL draft and instead went to Miami for 4 mil. When you see basketball players getting 7 mil a year it can be tempting to hang around another year. My guess is that Flagg will do very well if he stays at Duke.


www.latimes.com

NIL in college football is making a big impact on the NFL draft

With college football players increasingly choosing to not leave school early because of NIL, the quality of players in the NFL draft is taking a hit.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
gomretat said:
Just did a quick google search and found this from last year. Plenty of talk about it and I dont remember all of the players but this year in football there were a few surprises such as Carson Beck who was expected to enter the NFL draft and instead went to Miami for 4 mil. When you see basketball players getting 7 mil a year it can be tempting to hang around another year. My guess is that Flagg will do very well if he stays at Duke.


www.latimes.com

NIL in college football is making a big impact on the NFL draft

With college football players increasingly choosing to not leave school early because of NIL, the quality of players in the NFL draft is taking a hit.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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So the emphasis of this article is on the later rounds of the NFL draft, as players who can get good NIL money may not want to get into the draft early if they're not projected for the early draft rounds?

I could see something similar with lower-ranking prospects for the NBA (and maybe already has with players like Armando Bacot).
 
I read somewhere what a top 5 selection is worth in just the rookie contract alone. Mr. Flagg would be economically foolish to stay in school. This didn't include endorsements.
 
all of his friends are on his college team, and the pressure to preform is probably much less than it will be in the NBA. if the money is the same, why not? Well there is injury risk, so there is that. If he gets better with another year, than he will do more faster in the NBA, but at the same time, getting professional coaching might do more. there are a lot of considerations.
 
There is a 12M difference over the life of the deal going from 1st to 3rd. He may make up a good chunk of that with NIL.... maybe like 60% ish. First year of his max in 5 years would be 56M to 67M. Getting to that one year earlier is huge. At any point there could be an injury that limits money. If this was the backend of his career and he was giving up 60-70M (plus being the undisputed headliner of the draft class this year and the endorsement money that comes with it) then maybe I could see someone making that decision.

I guess what I'm saying is he might go back and have everything go okay... and still lose 75-100M. That's a tough bet at the beginning of his career. It won't happen. Sorry for you doomsdayers.
 
Also, it wouldn't be a bad thing for the Jazz. This is a two year tank where you are hoping to land one of Dybansta, Cooper, Peterson, Boozer... if he went back it may prompt us to go scorched earth next year and have like an 80% chance at one of them plus whatever we added this year.
 
JazzFever said:
I get where you're coming from, but the NBA is set up a certain way, with certain rules, and the Jazz are working within the framework to optimize for success, to help them overcome certain structural disadvantages.

The question that Ryan answered differently than previous ownership- Is our definition of success consistent winning or a championship? Previous ownership was never willing to sacrifice to get over the hump to a championship and chose consistent success. Ryan has answered he is willing to do things differently in order to optimize for a championship.

That necessitates a different set of compromises, and one of those is managing your roster in such a way that winning the current game on your plate is waaaay down on the list and is sometimes even detrimental. But they aren't actively throwing games or point shaving, just optimizing for development and avoiding giving out minutes in such a way that winning the game is more important than developing the young talent that is on the 'timeline' and if someone has a boo boo, they aren't going to play.

Being so contrary to the previous philosophy, it is pretty glaring, but something the NBA is structured to accommodate, so in no way bad sportsmanship or cheating, just annoying.
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What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
 
bopahull said:
What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
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Preach brother
 
bopahull said:
What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
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its right until the nba forces teams to stop. This is the only way the jazz can get better, so if other teams are doing it the jazz sure as hell better be doing it too like cars going over the speed limit to stay with the flow of traffic.
 
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