Corbin and co are seriously risking the future of the team

[InGameStrategy]

My point is we have 4 young players to develop. When you put Burks on the floor with our young bigs there is nothing on the floor resembling team play.

Then don't put Burks on the floor at the same time with both of the young bigs.

Coaching 101.

Common Sense 101, for that matter.

Not once and not twice we had Earl-Burks-CJ/Howard-Favors-Kanter line up which played miserable basketball. I haven't looked into any stats before typing that but decided to check if my observations are correct.
Check out those stats:

https://www.82games.com/1112/1112UTA2.HTM
Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
Watson-Burks-Howard-Favors-Kanter 33.7 1.09 1.02 -2 2 1 66.6
Watson-Burks-Miles-Favors-Kanter 28.8 0.91 1.13 -9 2 4 33.3

Our young bigs suck both defensively and offensively when they are together with Burks on the floor. That's playing again other teams scrubs.

At this point of his development he is hurting our young bigs. That's why I have no problems seeing him on the bench until he gets full offseason preparation cycle.

Why are you a proponent of the damaging play-all-of-the-vets-together-and-play-all-of-the-youngins-together philosophy?

The stats also show that unit with Burks, Hayward, Millsap and Jefferson looks solid but this may very well be a fluke.

Um, there's only one way to find out--play 'em more. If it's worked before, then chances are good that it'll work again. Intuitively, it makes sense to mix the youngins in with the vets. While Corbin does a better job of this than the oblivious Sloan, you have merely (perhaps unintentionally) proven that Corbin has a long way to go in this regard.

 

[zbone]

Then don't put Burks on the floor at the same time with both of the young bigs.

Coaching 101.

Common Sense 101, for that matter.

That would make sense if we were in tanking mode. Burks can't play team ball against 2nd units. I don't see how the team is going to benefit from moving him into starter's role.

 

[cowhide]

How is Burks' performance any more inconsistent as CJ, Bell, Hayward and Howard? They have all had moments of crappy play. People complain all the time that the Jazz don't have any players who can create their own shot and when the Jazz do they bench him because he isn't perfect.

Geez I must be seeing things because when I see Howard, CJ, AJ, Millsap, Bell etc not play team ball I would think they would be benched. Oh yea there are different rules for young players. Vets are allowed to suck and still get minutes while young players are required to sit and watch.

 

[orangello]

The Jazz as an organization have a hard time accepting mistakes from young players. To me this translates to the Jazz as an organization developing rookies/sophomores.

Hayward has shown that he deserves more minutes a game this year. He is averaging 28 minutes a game. He should be at 30 minimum and possibly closer to 35 minutes a game.

Every time I see Kanter I see a player that is getting better every time he hits the floor. Kanter is averaging 14.5 minutes a game. I honestly believe that by just getting him 20 minutes a game that he could show enough progress to let one of the veteran bigs go (Jefferson).

If the Jazz are still struggling by the end of February that will show who this team really is. If they are struggling then it should be all out "development time".

 

[cowhide]

The guys who are playing the best should play. The comment that vets will be upset if they are benched. Too bad. You don't see our young guys complaining so why should they be able to complain. They are not entitled to playing time simply because they are veterans. If I were coach I would tell everyone, "Minutes are not guaranteed I will play the players who play hard and contribute to winning. If you are having a bad game then I will try someone else."

The organization has to decide what their ultimate goal is. Make playoffs or contend for a championship. Perhaps the decision will be made easier if the Jazz continue to lose or if they start winning again. Personally, I think it is a no brainer to play the young guys because my goal is to win an NBA championship.

 

[Weezur]

I think Ty thinks that winning is more important than development so that Utah maintains a winning culture.

The problem is that what Ty thinks will win him games doesn't win him games.
And Milsap and Big Al are too tired.

 

[The Thriller]

There's no reason why Burks should be receiving DNPs....

 

[Nate505]

I've seen every game this season and Burks has in no way looked any worse than Howard has looked since he's come back from his injury. Howard has been absolutely brutal, yet he keeps getting minutes.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've seen every game this season and Burks has in no way looked any worse than Howard has looked since he's come back from his injury. Howard has been absolutely brutal, yet he keeps getting minutes.

Agreed. Howard is bleh.

 

[Brown Notes]

I'm a Corbin supporter, but it's hard to stay behind the no rook rotation.

He has to be enforcing something. Remember, when Burks was in he continually played outside the offense.

 

[freakazoid]

I've seen every game this season and Burks has in no way looked any worse than Howard has looked since he's come back from his injury. Howard has been absolutely brutal, yet he keeps getting minutes.

Howard was pretty good before the injury, so I'm willing to have a little patience with the idea that he could be involved in a trade before the deadline. Ideally, we need at least one of CJ/Howard/Harris to have a good stretch leading up to the trade deadline, so they could be used as throw-ins. I don't like the DNPs, but I'll live with them for now as long as we move someone by the deadline.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

I've seen every game this season

??????????? You mean there are Jazz fans who don't see all the games? Shocking! Personally I've seen all the games for so long i can't remember when. Guess this behavior shows an unhealthy psychosis, huh? And may explain some
of my posts too.

 

[gregbroncs]

The Jazz as an organization have a hard time accepting mistakes from young players. To me this translates to the Jazz as an organization developing rookies/sophomores.

Hayward has shown that he deserves more minutes a game this year. He is averaging 28 minutes a game. He should be at 30 minimum and possibly closer to 35 minutes a game.

Every time I see Kanter I see a player that is getting better every time he hits the floor. Kanter is averaging 14.5 minutes a game. I honestly believe that by just getting him 20 minutes a game that he could show enough progress to let one of the veteran bigs go (Jefferson).

If the Jazz are still struggling by the end of February that will show who this team really is. If they are struggling then it should be all out "development time".

What has Hayward done to show he needs more minutes? He has been no better than Bell, CJ, Howard, or Burks. If anything Hayward has shown to be wildly inconsistent and can not seem to shoot.

 

[Nate505]

Howard was pretty good before the injury, so I'm willing to have a little patience with the idea that he could be involved in a trade before the deadline. Ideally, we need at least one of CJ/Howard/Harris to have a good stretch leading up to the trade deadline, so they could be used as throw-ins. I don't like the DNPs, but I'll live with them for now as long as we move someone by the deadline.

I agree with that, I just hope it comes down to that.

 

[Siro]

What has Hayward done to show he needs more minutes? He has been no better than Bell, CJ, Howard, or Burks. If anything Hayward has shown to be wildly inconsistent and can not seem to shoot.

WTF are you talking about? There is more to basketball than shooting 3s. Hayward has been the Jazz' best defender. He's a great distributor and he makes everyone around him better. He's been driving aggressively to the rim, and fighting for every rebound. Howard on the other hand is atrocious. He had a good 4 game stretch before he got injured. But that's it. I think he hustles after loose balls and occasionally plays tough defense. But he plays with CJ. Watching him and CJ fighting over who gets to chuck the ball in the general direction of the basket is hilarious.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

What has Hayward done to show he needs more minutes? He has been no better than Bell, CJ, Howard, or Burks. If anything Hayward has shown to be wildly inconsistent and can not seem to shoot.

Agreed with the post above. You've got to be kidding all of us when you make this comment.
Without Hayward on the floor, our defense with be 100 percent more atrocious than it already is.

 

[orangello]

WTF are you talking about? There is more to basketball than shooting 3s. Hayward has been the Jazz' best defender. He's a great distributor and he makes everyone around him better. He's been driving aggressively to the rim, and fighting for every rebound. Howard on the other hand is atrocious. He had a good 4 game stretch before he got injured. But that's it. I think he hustles after loose balls and occasionally plays tough defense. But he plays with CJ. Watching him and CJ fighting over who gets to chuck the ball in the general direction of the basket is hilarious.

You forgot to mention that Howard in the open floor is cringe worthy. I can think of a few times that he fumbles with the ball and fails to score when he only can be beat by himself.

 

[InGameStrategy]

That would make sense if we were in tanking mode. Burks can't play team ball against 2nd units. I don't see how the team is going to benefit from moving him into starter's role.

Who said anything about making Burks a starter?

It's not really a radical concept to put a mixed lineup of starters and backups on the floor (after the starters start). But Corbin is making the same mistake as his predecessor, often having a wave of backups playing separately from the starters.

Much more effective would be to layer in the backups instead of playing them all together (and instead of sometimes even subbing them in en masse). Burks is a key example of this; he'd be more effective playing alongside Hayward or even Bell than the iffy defense (and iffy shot selection) of Catch 'n Jack. Same goes for the young bigs; better alongside a starting scorer (AJ or PM) than alongside each other, thus bringing the frontcourt scoring to a standstill in many cases.

Playing Burks at the same time as Millsap or Jefferson would also mitigate the catch-and-chuck factor, given that the first choice would likely be to get it down to the scoring big rather than for Burks to hoist it up (or for Burks to fight over that privilege with CJ).

 

[Surely]

Who said anything about making Burks a starter?

It's not really a radical concept to put a mixed lineup of starters and backups on the floor (after the starters start). But Corbin is making the same mistake as his predecessor, often having a wave of backups playing separately from the starters.

I agree with that. To me it seems like Jerry sat down with Brigham Young right after the saints arrived and made his game plan. Starting point guard plays the first 8-9 minutes then sits the next 10... There was never the "Hey this guy is on fire, maybe I should leave him in there" idea or the "I can create some mismatches if I shake up my lineup". Unfortunately Corbin seems to have copied Ole Jerry's substitution patterns.