Playing Bell and Howard is important to the future of this team. How dare you question that!
If you are so smart how 'bout you try 'n coach 'n NBA team moran.
If you are so smart how 'bout you try 'n coach 'n NBA team moran.
Corbin and co are seriously risking the future of the team
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I agree with getting Burks some of Howard's & CJ's minutes.
Thing I do not get is Ty's rotation.
Last nite, Raja started out hotter than heck, yet was one of the 1st starterd to get removed. Made no sense, to me. He was perfect from the outside , including 3.
Then, he will return the starters with like 3-4 minutes left in the 2nd. Can't even break a sweat in that time, yet alone get in a flow.
Hayward is playing GREAT except for 3pt shooting.
He won't take them.
They sag off him 5 yards. He needs to start popping them. That will open up the middle.
I'm kind of an old school fan. I am not a big fan of letting other teams get ANY dunks (unless break away).
I like Hard fouls. Makes them think twice. We have the depth if foul troble happens and we are not that different thru 8-9.
Thing I do not get is Ty's rotation.
Last nite, Raja started out hotter than heck, yet was one of the 1st starterd to get removed. Made no sense, to me. He was perfect from the outside , including 3.
Then, he will return the starters with like 3-4 minutes left in the 2nd. Can't even break a sweat in that time, yet alone get in a flow.
Hayward is playing GREAT except for 3pt shooting.
He won't take them.
They sag off him 5 yards. He needs to start popping them. That will open up the middle.
I'm kind of an old school fan. I am not a big fan of letting other teams get ANY dunks (unless break away).
I like Hard fouls. Makes them think twice. We have the depth if foul troble happens and we are not that different thru 8-9.
Are you kidding? Burks has showed flashes of brilliance mashed up with total lack of understanding of team ball. Last 3 or 4 games he was on a short leash. In situations when early in the season he would drive to the basket now he makes a safe pass. He was totally out of game flow and when he played PG role he was plain awful and Ty benched him. Later in the season amount of out control play by Burks was over the tops, Ty kept yelling at him for dumb plays at the same time preaching aggressive play.
The kid still don't get it and needs to learn because now he totally ruins our half court offense whether you like that or not. He isn't ready and you don't want to have your veterans in the locker room talking between themselves how it sucks playing behind sucking rookie only because he is a 12th pick. It's bad for all including Burks.
The kid still don't get it and needs to learn because now he totally ruins our half court offense whether you like that or not. He isn't ready and you don't want to have your veterans in the locker room talking between themselves how it sucks playing behind sucking rookie only because he is a 12th pick. It's bad for all including Burks.
seattlejazzfan
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For the hell of it, let's you the benefit of the doubt that Burks hasn't played well enough to warrant PT - at least I think that's what you are trying to convey here. Ultimately there is no evidence to suggest the Jazz are a worse team when he plays significant minutes than when he doesn't play. You can use +/-, you can use the Jazz record in games that he plays significant minutes vs those that he doesn't and the only thing you will find is that the Jazz are probably better when he plays significant minutes - but understand, that is not my argument. My point is that their is nothing to suggest they are definitely worse when he plays more minutes. Burks can't be having so many DNP-CDs. That only speaks to Burks because his DNPs are the most egregious problem. Favors lack of big minutes is nearly as alarming.
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My point is we have 4 young players to develop. When you put Burks on the floor with our young bigs there is nothing on the floor resembling team play. Not once and not twice we had Earl-Burks-CJ/Howard-Favors-Kanter line up which played miserable basketball. I haven't looked into any stats before typing that but decided to check if my observations are correct.
Check out those stats:
https://www.82games.com/1112/1112UTA2.HTM
Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
Watson-Burks-Howard-Favors-Kanter 33.7 1.09 1.02 -2 2 1 66.6
Watson-Burks-Miles-Favors-Kanter 28.8 0.91 1.13 -9 2 4 33.3
Our young bigs suck both defensively and offensively when they are together with Burks on the floor. That's playing again other teams scrubs.
At this point of his development he is hurting our young bigs. That's why I have no problems seeing him on the bench until he gets full offseason preparation cycle.
The stats also show that unit with Burks, Hayward, Millsap and Jefferson looks solid but this may very well be a fluke.
InGameStrategy
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Then don't put Burks on the floor at the same time with both of the young bigs.
Coaching 101.
Common Sense 101, for that matter.
Why are you a proponent of the damaging play-all-of-the-vets-together-and-play-all-of-the-youngins-together philosophy?
Um, there's only one way to find out--play 'em more. If it's worked before, then chances are good that it'll work again. Intuitively, it makes sense to mix the youngins in with the vets. While Corbin does a better job of this than the oblivious Sloan, you have merely (perhaps unintentionally) proven that Corbin has a long way to go in this regard.
That would make sense if we were in tanking mode. Burks can't play team ball against 2nd units. I don't see how the team is going to benefit from moving him into starter's role.
How is Burks' performance any more inconsistent as CJ, Bell, Hayward and Howard? They have all had moments of crappy play. People complain all the time that the Jazz don't have any players who can create their own shot and when the Jazz do they bench him because he isn't perfect.
Geez I must be seeing things because when I see Howard, CJ, AJ, Millsap, Bell etc not play team ball I would think they would be benched. Oh yea there are different rules for young players. Vets are allowed to suck and still get minutes while young players are required to sit and watch.
Geez I must be seeing things because when I see Howard, CJ, AJ, Millsap, Bell etc not play team ball I would think they would be benched. Oh yea there are different rules for young players. Vets are allowed to suck and still get minutes while young players are required to sit and watch.
orangello
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The Jazz as an organization have a hard time accepting mistakes from young players. To me this translates to the Jazz as an organization developing rookies/sophomores.
Hayward has shown that he deserves more minutes a game this year. He is averaging 28 minutes a game. He should be at 30 minimum and possibly closer to 35 minutes a game.
Every time I see Kanter I see a player that is getting better every time he hits the floor. Kanter is averaging 14.5 minutes a game. I honestly believe that by just getting him 20 minutes a game that he could show enough progress to let one of the veteran bigs go (Jefferson).
If the Jazz are still struggling by the end of February that will show who this team really is. If they are struggling then it should be all out "development time".
Hayward has shown that he deserves more minutes a game this year. He is averaging 28 minutes a game. He should be at 30 minimum and possibly closer to 35 minutes a game.
Every time I see Kanter I see a player that is getting better every time he hits the floor. Kanter is averaging 14.5 minutes a game. I honestly believe that by just getting him 20 minutes a game that he could show enough progress to let one of the veteran bigs go (Jefferson).
If the Jazz are still struggling by the end of February that will show who this team really is. If they are struggling then it should be all out "development time".