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gandalfe

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what was in it was pretty alarming and explains why Pfizer wanted the records sealed for 75 years. Let's just say it was in character for them. It beggars belief that it's not been widely reported but if you really wanted to you could find it with a few keystrokes. I look forward to hearing your assessment and take on this information.
No no, that's not how this works. If you want to tell us something, don't make us do the work. That's both rude and unsuccessful. Instead, give us the information that convinced you and the citations that show you're not just blowing smoke. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
 


The Thriller

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No no, that's not how this works. If you want to tell us something, don't make us do the work. That's both rude and unsuccessful. Instead, give us the information that convinced you and the citations that show you're not just blowing smoke. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Exactly. We see way too much of that crap today. Person makes outrageous claims and expects the rest of us to prove their stupid claim right. That’s not how it works.
 

Al-O-Meter

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No no, that's not how this works. If you want to tell us something, don't make us do the work. That's both rude and unsuccessful. Instead, give us the information that convinced you and the citations that show you're not just blowing smoke. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
The evidence he's talking about is from the efficacy testing data released by the FDA. You can download the document directly from the FDA at: fda.gov/media/144245/download

The bit that has everyone up in arms is on page 42 of the FDA document.
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I do believe the mRNA vaccines do a good job of spinning up the immune system to help people recover from a COVID infection but this data appears to show from the outset it was known the vaccine wouldn't make people immune to infection. Meh. Not dying sounds like a good deal to me even if it doesn't prevent the sniffles.
 

Douchebag K

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No no, that's not how this works. If you want to tell us something, don't make us do the work. That's both rude and unsuccessful. Instead, give us the information that convinced you and the citations that show you're not just blowing smoke. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

nah cbf mate You do the legwork for yourself. it's not exactly difficult
 

Red

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The evidence he's talking about is from the efficacy testing data released by the FDA. You can download the document directly from the FDA at: fda.gov/media/144245/download

The bit that has everyone up in arms is on page 42 of the FDA document.
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I do believe the mRNA vaccines do a good job of spinning up the immune system to help people recover from a COVID infection but this data appears to show from the outset it was known the vaccine wouldn't make people immune to infection. Meh. Not dying sounds like a good deal to me even if it doesn't prevent the sniffles.
I’m in no position to judge all this, but I did find a contrary opinion in the interpretation of the 12% efficacy claim….



View: https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1523077572808306688
 
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One Brow

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what was in it was pretty alarming and explains why Pfizer wanted the records sealed for 75 years. Let's just say it was in character for them. It beggars belief that it's not been widely reported but if you really wanted to you could find it with a few keystrokes. I look forward to hearing your assessment and take on this information.
I have two jobs and people at home to take care of. I just don't have time to carefully read 10K pages of documents to find a handful of things Pfizer wants hidden.
 

One Brow

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The evidence he's talking about is from the efficacy testing data released by the FDA. You can download the document directly from the FDA at: fda.gov/media/144245/download

The bit that has everyone up in arms is on page 42 of the FDA document.
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I do believe the mRNA vaccines do a good job of spinning up the immune system to help people recover from a COVID infection but this data appears to show from the outset it was known the vaccine wouldn't make people immune to infection. Meh. Not dying sounds like a good deal to me even if it doesn't prevent the sniffles.
Thank you. It's important to note that these are cases where the patients tested negative for covid19, which is why they are suspected but unconfirmed.
 

The Thriller

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I have two jobs and people at home to take care of. I just don't have time to carefully read 10K pages of documents to find a handful of things Pfizer wants hidden.
You’re so lazy and selfish. Complicit in Pfizer’s malicious ways. You’re probably paid off by Soros or Gates.

We’d all be better off without vaccines. The best cure for Covid is a flashlight up the rear and guzzling horse dewormer.
 

Douchebag K

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so given the plethora of ACTUAL EVIDENCE that pertains to the ability of the Covid vaccines to prevent infections or transmission of Covid 19 and the fact that the CDC have now removed any conditions differentiating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated as well as statements coming thick and fast from all manner of authorities keen to shift the goal posts that the vaccines aren't any good at said prevention of infection or transmission .... I'm curious if any of those vehemently pro vaccine mandates on a moral basis are intellectually honest enough to have changed their mind .. even partially ??
 

LogGrad98

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You’re so lazy and selfish. Complicit in Pfizer’s malicious ways. You’re probably paid off by Soros or Gates.

We’d all be better off without vaccines. The best cure for Covid is a flashlight up the rear and guzzling horse dewormer.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
 

LogGrad98

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so given the plethora of ACTUAL EVIDENCE that pertains to the ability of the Covid vaccines to prevent infections or transmission of Covid 19 and the fact that the CDC have now removed any conditions differentiating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated as well as statements coming thick and fast from all manner of authorities keen to shift the goal posts that the vaccines aren't any good at said prevention of infection or transmission .... I'm curious if any of those vehemently pro vaccine mandates on a moral basis are intellectually honest enough to have changed their mind .. even partially ??
Yes I found that really interesting. And industry is wondering where to go from here. I know for us we have begun to enforce social distancing more, and done things like put up barriers on break room tables to separate folks. But the vaccine status from the last CDC update is really crazy. The thing we are looking at now, and especially in California where people are entitled to 40 hours of COVID pay for testing positive and an additional 40 hours if they have to quarantine for a case in their home or something, is regular testing and confirmation that people are not positive before returning to work. But we have stopped any mention of the vaccines now. I know LA county had re-implemented the mask mandate, and considering we are seeing a rise in cases in the workplace (one building of maybe 100 employees recently had 14 active positive COVID cases), we are considering the same in our company, and I know other counties in CA are looking at the same thing. It is really looking like we may never get a handle on this thing, not even to the point of regular annual vaccinations like the flu.
 

One Brow

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so given the plethora of ACTUAL EVIDENCE that pertains to the ability of the Covid vaccines to prevent infections or transmission of Covid 19 and the fact that the CDC have now removed any conditions differentiating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated as well as statements coming thick and fast from all manner of authorities keen to shift the goal posts that the vaccines aren't any good at said prevention of infection or transmission .... I'm curious if any of those vehemently pro vaccine mandates on a moral basis are intellectually honest enough to have changed their mind .. even partially ??
Changed our minds in what fashion? What's your standard for "any good" here?
 


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