Could we buy a 3rd 1st rounder, late in the round?
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QuinSnydersHair
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larryselbows
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How far up could we move packaging the 14th and 18th picks?
QuinSnydersHair
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I'd guess no higher than 9th. But 10th is more likely imo.
I'd say 10/11.
How does that address the 3rd pick? Why not just take him with one of the two?
QuinSnydersHair
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b_line
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8th or 9th guy off the bench means he is like player #13 or 14 on the team. He is better than Kevin Murphy
Now I understand what you're saying. I don't have much of an opinion on it other than I'd be surprised if the Jazz FO would like to have 4 rookies to add to the roster for next year.. even though I'd like it (they don't seem to care much what I like, damnit).
QuinSnydersHair
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I hear ya. I think the core 7 (keep Adetobundo overseas) of WCS, Kanter, Favors, Burke, Burks, Hayward, Carroll would be fun as hell. Sprinkle in a 3rd/4th big like Kurt Thomas to play 10-14 minutes a night and ingrain some toughness and lessons to the young bigs, a solid 2nd/3rd point vet (keep Tinsley?), a 4th wing who is decent but won't command 20 minutes a night (Brandon Rush?) and we're at an interesting 10. Throw in a couple ****heads like Murphy, Leslie, and our 2nd rounder and we're good to go at 13. Then, let JVG or SVG coach away.
That's how I would roll anyway. I also think Chauncey Billups could be very, very interesting on a two year deal with the understanding that he would start at first and give way to Burke at some point (likely in year one) and that we'd want him as a leader and teacher to the young guys.
vslice02
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From 2006-08 the Suns routinely traded their 1st-round picks because they had a large payroll (Amare, Marion, Nash, then Diaw/Bell, ect) and were looking to cut salary and not take on more gauranteed contracts. As a result - in exchange for taking back Brian Grant's contract they drafted Rajon Rondo in the 2006 NBA draft and immediately traded him to the Celtics. Furthermore, in exchange for taking on Kurt Thomas' contract Phoenix gave the Sonics 2 late 1st-round picks that Sam Presti felt they could gamble on which eventually netted them Serge Ibaka. Those two Phoenix draft trades were sandwiched around trading their 24th pick in the 2007 Draft (Rudy Fernandez) to Portland in exchange for $3million.
So yes, this is the over-looked advantage to having a gigantic amount of cap room - and history shows Kevin O'Connor and the Jazz have been able to capitalize on it. In 2003 following the departures of Stockton&Malone Utah had a ton of capspace and (after failing to land one of their prime free agent targets), they took back Glen Rice's contract for a 2004 1st-round pick - which Utah rolled into a 2005 1st-rounder that was part of the Deron Williams package. At the 2003-04 trade deadline - they had the flexibility to absorb Tom Gugliotta's expiring salary of $11+million. That trade netted them a mid-2004 1st-round pick (Kirk Snyder), a future 2nd-round pick which they eventually rolled into Ante Tomic (who I maintain is an asset worth hanging onto) and obviously the NY-pick which turned into Gordon Hayward.
I said this last summer - but the common denomenator among all these teams who took on these low-risk/high-reward assets are they went into ground-zero rebuilding phases. The Jazz may be "rebuilding" but they aren't at square-one becaude not only do they have the ability to acquire future picks both now and in the future - they have a tantalizing foundation with 4 lottery picks already on their roster (that the Core-4 are still on their rookie-scaled contracts is what gives them the luxury to take on garbage contracts). This is why it's imperative the Jazz stop twiddling their thumbs w/the Core-4's development. They are in a rare position to build something special - and all season long they've marginalized that potential with a bizarre effort to grab the 8th-seed at all costs.
So yes, this is the over-looked advantage to having a gigantic amount of cap room - and history shows Kevin O'Connor and the Jazz have been able to capitalize on it. In 2003 following the departures of Stockton&Malone Utah had a ton of capspace and (after failing to land one of their prime free agent targets), they took back Glen Rice's contract for a 2004 1st-round pick - which Utah rolled into a 2005 1st-rounder that was part of the Deron Williams package. At the 2003-04 trade deadline - they had the flexibility to absorb Tom Gugliotta's expiring salary of $11+million. That trade netted them a mid-2004 1st-round pick (Kirk Snyder), a future 2nd-round pick which they eventually rolled into Ante Tomic (who I maintain is an asset worth hanging onto) and obviously the NY-pick which turned into Gordon Hayward.
I said this last summer - but the common denomenator among all these teams who took on these low-risk/high-reward assets are they went into ground-zero rebuilding phases. The Jazz may be "rebuilding" but they aren't at square-one becaude not only do they have the ability to acquire future picks both now and in the future - they have a tantalizing foundation with 4 lottery picks already on their roster (that the Core-4 are still on their rookie-scaled contracts is what gives them the luxury to take on garbage contracts). This is why it's imperative the Jazz stop twiddling their thumbs w/the Core-4's development. They are in a rare position to build something special - and all season long they've marginalized that potential with a bizarre effort to grab the 8th-seed at all costs.
Zulu
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Dude I'm killing u in the consolation tourney!!!
Is it possible? Yes
Is it likely? Probably not.
Is it likely? Probably not.
carolinajazz
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...we'd be better off...buying a vowel!
An interview with a fan posted over on SLC dunk was quite enlightening. It seems Greg clearly gets who our core 4 is.
He flat out said it's the young guys. That's quite a statement. They don't have any illusions about bringing Sap and Big Al back.
Maybe Greg is on our side after all? Maybe he'd be down for adding 3 quality young pieces to go with our core.
He flat out said it's the young guys. That's quite a statement. They don't have any illusions about bringing Sap and Big Al back.
Maybe Greg is on our side after all? Maybe he'd be down for adding 3 quality young pieces to go with our core.
Weezur
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This probably belongs in a thread of its own
C'mon guys, put 2 and 2 together here.
We have Watson and Tinsley. We turned down a trade for Bledsoe. Corbin is the coach. We consistently give starter minutes to one of the worst line-ups in the league.
We're obviously tanking.
This is a rebuild.
We have Watson and Tinsley. We turned down a trade for Bledsoe. Corbin is the coach. We consistently give starter minutes to one of the worst line-ups in the league.
We're obviously tanking.
This is a rebuild.
b_line
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How do you know the Bledsoe trade was even there to be turned down. I think the jazz are pursuing the smartest course of action
Stifle Tower
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Doubtful. All national media reports stated the Clippers were very reluctant to trade Bledsoe because they had no guarantees CP3 would re-sign with them this summer. I think the Jazz probably proposed a trade involving Bledsoe, but the Clippers didn't pull the trigger. Or the Clips wanted too much (like one of the C4).