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Current Players NBA Draft Round 1: Cunning Linguist vs. silesian

Who would win in a 7 game series?


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Elizah Huge

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Team Cunning Linguist:

PG - George Hill / Deron Williams
SG - Klay Thompson / Kent Bazemore
SF - Nicolas Batum / Luol Deng
PF - Blake Griffin / Chris Bosh
C - Dwight Howard / Bismack Biyombo

Team silesian:

PG - Chris Paul
SG - Avery Bradley / Danny Green / Manu Ginobli
SF - Andre Iguodala / Trevor Ariza
PF - Paul Millsap / Amir Johnson
C - Serge Ibaka / Zaza Pachulia

Cunning Linguist's Case:

n/a

silesian's Case:

First, summing up:
CP3 is best player on the court
Silesian has best defense in the tournament, 5 starters are all-league (clearly superior to CL at PG/SG/SF/PF)
CL has high weak bench vulnerability, with both age & health concerns. Silesian’s bench is solid at all positions.
Offensively, Silesian wins the battle at 1/4/5, CL wins at the 2 (push at the 3)

Read on…..
The key to Team Silesian’s win will be legendary playmaker, team leader, uber-tough Chris Paul (whose RPM edged out Steph) and who boasts career averages ~10 apg and ~20 ppg, he can score when needed but prefers facilitating, making his teammates better and more engaged.

Obviously Team Silesian has a huge advantage at the 1, with CL having a very nice top 15ish PG being provided little support by washed-up Deron Williams. Deron’s RPM is 0.29 (Ronnie Price zone), compared to my grizzled vet of Manu who is 3rd among SGs at who still brings game on both O and D. Silesian’s PG backups are Bradley/ Ginobli.

Team Silesian has the advantage at PF with athletic all-Star Millsap as a multifaceted player, inside/outside scorer, rebounder, defender (3rd in RPM, 7th ORPM and, 3rd in DRPM, all NBA defense). And he is backed up with hugely underrated Amir Johnson, who is 5th in RPM. Blake has star power, extreme athleticism and highlight reel dunks, but do they translate to wins? Moreover, is he a winner? A very explosive inside scorer without range, he is 14th in RPM, 13th in ORPM and 27th in DRPM. With the game on the line would you rather have CP3 or Blake with the ball? Who is the better teammate, Amir Johnson voted “teammate of the year” or Blake “punched out the trainer” Griffin? To reiterate Milsap> Griffin. I feel badly for Chris Bosh and his blood clot situation, many are unsure if he will be cleared to play in 2016, leaving CL with a huge risk at the 4 with potentially no one to spell Griffin.

Team Silesian’s defense is designed to smother Klay Thompson with the best perimeter defenders in the game. Avery Bradley is all-NBA defense and Danny Green may be better. Green would be a great backup just based on elite defense, but he also has a career 3PFG% of >40%, along with Bradley’s 36%. So at the 2, offense goes to CL, defense goes to Silesian.

With athletic rim protector and 3-point threat Ibaka at the 5, Dwight will be pulled outside, leaving the inside to be defended by matador Blake, so that CP3 will penetrate at will and drive/kick to 3P shooters. Perennial malcontent Dwight Howard could not co-exist well with Harden, Kobe and others. You might expect a similar situation with Blake and Klay. While CL may want Dwight primarily for his D, Dwight whines when the game is not post-centered. Biyombo is a defensive-only, contract-year flash-in-the-pan, while ZaZa provides a balanced game and savvy veteran skill and size at the 5.

CL has no shooting at the 4 or 5, whereas Team Silesian (with Millsap/Ibaka) can spread the floor from all 5 positions.

At the 3, Iguodala/Ariza versus Batum/Deng wash offensively, but Iggy is all-NBA defense and Ariza is also elite defensively, able to guard 1-4. That plus Iggy’s playoff experience, so clear overall advantage to Team Silesian at the 3.
 
I don't see any which way that Iggy is a push with Batum. Batum is much better than Iggy.

Defensively, Iggy> Batum.

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Iggy Batum.JPG

Offensively, you'd have to squint real hard to see a significant difference, definitely not one that tips a 7 game series. There might be a bias since Warriors have so many offensive weapons.
 
Silesian has defense, shooting and a guy who can put everyone where he wants.

I really like how Silesian builds his teams. He can reflect his identity to the teams he builds.
 
Silesian put together a very very good team. The defense will be excellent and CP3 will look fabulous with pieces fitting that well around him.

Only gripe I have is both teams centers are overrated today, both have begun to fade in recent years and I expect that to continue.
 
Silesian has defense, shooting and a guy who can put everyone where he wants.

I really like how Silesian builds his teams. He can reflect his identity to the teams he builds.

Thanks, defense gets underrated in these polls, but I am confident in this team's ability to win "real" series. Defense matters a lot, especially if one team has to compensate for defensive gaps. Think about the Spurs, they never had the sexy scoring option (Blake) but they moved the ball, played great defense, and everyone played as a team. That's the kind of team I was shooting for, when you think about CP3 (leader/winner), Millsap, Amir, these are all team-first guys who park their ego and bust their balls to win.
 
I just don't think Silesian's team can score enough points to have a plausible path to victory, his defense aside. I had to go with CL.
 
I just don't think Silesian's team can score enough points to have a plausible path to victory, his defense aside. I had to go with CL.

Are you sure? My starters have an offensive efficiency of 116 points per hundred possessions. You may be underestimating CP3 at 29.5 (higher than Klay), and Milsap and Ibaka, or missing Bradley's huge strides as a shooter. Will be a highly efficient scoring.


Or maybe you are counting on Howard to light it up, while in reality his scoring has been sliding for years and he has become a defensive specialist. Ibaka will outscore him by a large margin.

Plus I'm holding Siro to <100 (just a joke, he may get to 100+ in his home games)

Defense would win this series.
 
I don't like igoudala as a starter.

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Specifically, I dont like him starting with Chris Paul. I think you would be much better of benching him in favor of Ariza. Igoudala would give you a defacto backup PG to Paul, which would be huge for you since you have no backup PG.
 
The biggest thing I hate about CL's team is that he lacks penetration. Other than that great team with good balance and people who can make plays. but no one who can really break down a defense IMO.
 
Specifically, I dont like him starting with Chris Paul. I think you would be much better of benching him in favor of Ariza. Igoudala would give you a defacto backup PG to Paul, which would be huge for you since you have no backup PG.

I assume you mean I bench "Iggy" and not "CP3"?

Prefer Avery Bradley and Manu to Iggy as backup PG. But that said, Ariza starting and Iggy as sixth man would be pretty sweet.
 
Specifically, I dont like him starting with Chris Paul. I think you would be much better of benching him in favor of Ariza. Igoudala would give you a defacto backup PG to Paul, which would be huge for you since you have no backup PG.

I would argue otherwise, having 2 ballhandlers gives Silesian more options and prevents Chris Paul from being focused on. He also has Manu as a back-up and he can stagger his substitions.
 
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