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SoberasHotRod

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He's been telegraphing it for a long time:

- When we made the Donovan and Rudy trades we said we now have assets to trade for a star player
- We are monitoring the Luka situation
- We've put together the most complimentary roster in the NBA for a heliocentric star to play in

Look for us to continue to:

- Be stingy with our assets and continue to acquire more assets
- Only take on short term or tradeable contracts
- Be linked to Luka or other Ball in Hand star players

*Note this is not my plan, but my interpretation of Danny's plan
 
SoberasHotRod said:
He's been telegraphing it for a long time:

- When we made the Donovan and Rudy trades we said we now have assets to trade for a star player
- We are monitoring the Luka situation
- We've put together the most complimentary roster in the NBA for a heliocentric star to play in

Look for us to continue to:

- Be stingy with our assets and continue to acquire more assets
- Only take on short term or tradeable contracts
- Be linked to Luka or other Ball in Hand star players

*Note this is not my plan, but my interpretation of Danny's plan
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So… I’m not sure there is like some master plan. Like I think we see it as some map and a trail but it’s more like Danny has a compass and plans to head south or north or something like that. I think there are a thousand different directions we can go… but for now we head North… if we happen upon an amazing opportunity we will take it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So… I’m not sure there is like some master plan. Like I think we see it as some map and a trail but it’s more like Danny has a compass and plans to head south or north or something like that. I think there are a thousand different directions we can go… but for now we head North… if we happen upon an amazing opportunity we will take it.
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JZ said that our plan is to get good basketball players, and I kind of believe that and agree with what you are saying.

That said, I believe that Plan A is to use our assets for a star player (Luka is probably our top target), and I think that every transaction will be filtered through how it affects our ability to land a star player if/when one becomes available.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
JZ said that our plan is to get good basketball players, and I kind of believe that and agree with what you are saying.

That said, I believe that Plan A is to use our assets for a star player (Luka is probably our top target), and I think that every transaction will be filtered through how it affects our ability to land a star player if/when one becomes available.
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I agree somewhat… I don’t think we are waiting for that type of dude but will make sure we are prepared to offer on a guy like Luka, Giannis, etc if they became available. I think they way we are building the team now is finding the best players possible to build a good team. Like I don’t think any of the draft selections were with Luka or anyone else in my really… just trying to find the most talent possible.

Not sure if that makes sense… but if your “plan” revolves around 1 or 2 stars asking out then it’s not a plan per se… it’s blind hope. I think every star is a potential guy we could bring in and we will bid on stars that come available. IDK… just think we sometimes give these guys credit for playing chess when you look backwards… but really it was just like advanced checkers.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree somewhat… I don’t think we are waiting for that type of dude but will make sure we are prepared to offer on a guy like Luka, Giannis, etc if they became available. I think they way we are building the team now is finding the best players possible to build a good team. Like I don’t think any of the draft selections were with Luka or anyone else in my really… just trying to find the most talent possible.

Not sure if that makes sense… but if your “plan” revolves around 1 or 2 stars asking out then it’s not a plan per se… it’s blind hope. I think every star is a potential guy we could bring in and we will bid on stars that come available. IDK… just think we sometimes give these guys credit for playing chess when you look backwards… but really it was just like advanced checkers.
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FWIW, I don't personally think waiting around for a disgruntled star is an amazing plan, but I believe this is the way DA sees it:

- He's all about building a championship team, and knows you need star players to do it.
- We've continually said that we don't want a long rebuild, meaning we're not going to rely on drafting and developing a star

I could be wrong about the first bullet point. Maybe DA is fine with just building a nice team that is a perennial playoff team. Potentially we think we can hit lightening in a bottle twice and find another Lauri situation where a good player turns in to an all star under Hardy. I think it's also possible that DA has more intel than us on situations where stars are going to become available in the near future.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
FWIW, I don't personally think waiting around for a disgruntled star is an amazing plan, but I believe this is the way DA sees it:

- He's all about building a championship team, and knows you need star players to do it.
- We've continually said that we don't want a long rebuild, meaning we're not going to rely on drafting and developing a star

I could be wrong about the first bullet point. Maybe DA is fine with just building a nice team that is a perennial playoff team. Potentially we think we can hit lightening in a bottle twice and find another Lauri situation where a good player turns in to an all star under Hardy. I think it's also possible that DA has more intel than us on situations where stars are going to become available in the near future.
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Your last point was gonna be my post lol. He knows what is being said behind the scenes. He probably has a good idea which players may be available in the future.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
FWIW, I don't personally think waiting around for a disgruntled star is an amazing plan, but I believe this is the way DA sees it:

- He's all about building a championship team, and knows you need star players to do it.
- We've continually said that we don't want a long rebuild, meaning we're not going to rely on drafting and developing a star

I could be wrong about the first bullet point. Maybe DA is fine with just building a nice team that is a perennial playoff team. Potentially we think we can hit lightening in a bottle twice and find another Lauri situation where a good player turns in to an all star under Hardy. I think it's also possible that DA has more intel than us on situations where stars are going to become available in the near future.
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Yeah I think he’s trying to build a contender for sure. On the second point… GMs are liars. I generally just don’t take them at their word in interviews. I know some posters have a problem with this strong declaration but look at what some GMs have said recently… Dunleavy told the press they were keeping Poole for at least 4 more years… he didn’t last 4 more days (for real). Winger in Washington was like… “we ain’t doing an OKC tank” then strapped on the goggles and got the sledge hammer and has the tankiest squad in the East overnight.

I think my thing I’ve learned about DA is he’s opportunistic… which I love. He will follow the best opportunities… if that leads to getting a star that accelerates that then he jumps on it. If it doesn’t then it’s gonna be a medium paced rebuild… and he will sell hope in young players. That doesn’t sell well to fans so it needs to look more like a 3-5 year master plan type of thing.

I will say I was out on bringing in Ainge… couldn’t stand him cuz of the Gordo stuff. His instincts, timing, patience and tenacity are pretty amazing. I think JZ has all the touchy feely relationship stuff he lacks. It’s a nice tandem and I trust that whatever the plan is they will execute it well.
 
2006 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Rajon Rondo - Drafted by Boston - 2006 1st Round #21
02 - PG: Sebastian Telfair - Acquired via trade 2006 from Portland Trailblazers
03 - SG: Delonte West - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #24
04 - SG: Tony Allen - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #25
05 - SF: Paul Pierce - Drafted by Boston - 1998 1st Round #10
06 - SF: Gerald Green - Drafted by Boston - 2005 1st Round #18
07 - PF: Ryan Gomes - Drafted by Boston - 2005 2nd Round #50
08 - PF: Brian Scalabrine - Signed as UFA in 2005 from New Jersey Nets (5 years, $15 million)
09 - C: Al Jefferson - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #15
10 - C: Kendrick Perkins - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #27

Boston traded SG: Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak and their 2007 1st Round Pick #5 to Seattle for SG: Ray Allen and a 2007 2nd Round Pick #35

Then Boston traded C: Al Jefferson, C: Theo Ratliff, PF: Ryan Gomes, SF: Gerald Green, PG: Sebastian Telfair and two 2009 1st Round Draft picks to the Minnesota Timberwolves for PF/C: Kevin Garnett

Boston Celtics 2007 Top 10 players

01 - PG: Rajon Rondo - Drafted by Boston - 2006 1st Round #21
02 - PG: Eddie House - Signed as UFA in 2007 from New Jersey Nets (1 year, minimum)
03 - SG: Ray Allen - Acquired via blockbuster trade 2007 from Seattle SuperSonics
04 - SG: Tony Allen - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #25
05 - SF: Paul Pierce - Drafted by Boston - 1998 1st Round #10
06 - SF: James Posey - Signed as UFA in 2007 from Miami Heat (2 years, $6.7 million)
07 - PF: Kevin Garnett - Acquired via blockbuster trade 2007 from Minnesota Timberwolves
08 - PF: Brian Scalabrine - Signed as UFA in 2005 from New Jersey Nets (5 years)
09 - C: Kendrick Perkins - Drafted by Boston - 2004 1st Round #27
10 - C: Glen Davis - Drafted by Boston - 2007 2nd Round #35
 
2015 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Isaiah Thomas - Acquired via trade 2015 from the Phoenix Suns for a 2016 1st Round Pick
02 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st Round #06
03 - SG: Avery Bradley - Drafted by Boston - 2010 1st Round #19
04 - SF: Evan Turner - Signed as UFA from Indiana Pacers (2 years, $7 million)
05 - SF: Jae Crowder - Acquired via trade 2014 from Dallas Mavericks (part of the Rajon Rondo trade)
07 - PF: Jared Sullinger - Drafted by Boston - 2012 1st #21
08 - PF: Amir Johnson - Signed as UFA from Toronto Raptors (2 years, $24 million)
09 - PF: Jonas Jerebko - Acquired via trade 2015 from Detroit Pistons
10 - C: Kelly Olynyk - Drafted by Boston - 2013 1st Round #13

2016 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Isaiah Thomas - Acquired via trade 2015 from the Phoenix Suns for a 2016 1st Round Pick
02 - PG: Terry Rozier - Drafted by Boston - 2015 1st Round #16
03 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st #06
04 - SG: Avery Bradley - Drafted by Boston - 2010 1st Round #19
05 - SF: Jae Crowder - Acquired via trade 2014 from Dallas Mavericks (part of the Rajon Rondo trade)
06 - SF: Jaylen Brown - Drafted by Boston - 2016 1st Round #03
07 - PF: Amir Johnson - Signed as UFA from Toronto Raptors (2 years, $24 million)
08 - PF: Jonas Jerebko - Acquired via trade 2015 from Detroit Pistons
09 - C: Al Horford - Signed as UFA from Atlanta Hawks (4 years, $113 million)
10 - C: Kelly Olynyk - Drafted by Boston - 2013 1st Round #13

2017 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Kyrie Irving - Acquired via trade 2017 from Boston Celtics (Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and a 2018 1st Round Pick)
02 - PG: Terry Rozier - Drafted by Boston - 2015 1st Round #16
03 - SG: Jaylen Brown - Drafted by Boston - 2016 1st Round #03
04 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st #06
05 - SF: Jayson Tatum - Drafted by Boston - 2017 1st #03
06 - SF: Gordon Hayward - Signed as UFA from Utah Jazz (4 years, $128 million)
07 - PF: Marcus Morris - Acquired via trade 2017 from Detroit Pistons (Avery Bradley)
08 - PF: Semi Ojeley - Drafted by Boston - 2017 2nd Round #37
09 - C: Al Horford - Signed as UFA from Atlanta Hawks (4 years, $113 million)
10 - C: Aron Baynes - Signed as UFA from Detroit Pistons (1 year, $4.3 million)
 
My guess is that DA will prioritize keeping Markkanen, Kessler, Hendricks and George. Everyone else is likely available for trade, although I think he’ll plan to hang on to THT and Agbaji if he can.

He’ll probably try add a free agent - maybe even a pretty big one - this year, while keeping his cap space and assets available to make a big trade or two this year or (more probably) next year.

Once all the big players are added, he’ll try to fill out the roster by trading away underperforming players for win-now veterans.

When he turns over a roster, he does it fast and hard - with an emphasis on bringing in at least two star players.

KG & Ray Allen (to go with Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo)

Horford, Hayward & Irving (to go with Smart, Brown & Tatum) plus he added Marcus Morris

It feels to me like the Jazz are in year two of a three year rebuild. I think they’ll start building towards a middle of the pack/ play-in team range this season and then make some huge trades to become a contender the next offseason.
 
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2015 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Isaiah Thomas - Acquired via trade 2015 from the Phoenix Suns for a 2016 1st Round Pick
02 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st Round #06
03 - SG: Avery Bradley - Drafted by Boston - 2010 1st Round #19
04 - SF: Evan Turner - Signed as UFA from Indiana Pacers (2 years, $7 million)
05 - SF: Jae Crowder - Acquired via trade 2014 from Dallas Mavericks (part of the Rajon Rondo trade)
07 - PF: Jared Sullinger - Drafted by Boston - 2012 1st #21
08 - PF: Amir Johnson - Signed as UFA from Toronto Raptors (2 years, $24 million)
09 - PF: Jonas Jerebko - Acquired via trade 2015 from Detroit Pistons
10 - C: Kelly Olynyk - Drafted by Boston - 2013 1st Round #13

2016 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Isaiah Thomas - Acquired via trade 2015 from the Phoenix Suns for a 2016 1st Round Pick
02 - PG: Terry Rozier - Drafted by Boston - 2015 1st Round #16
03 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st #06
04 - SG: Avery Bradley - Drafted by Boston - 2010 1st Round #19
05 - SF: Jae Crowder - Acquired via trade 2014 from Dallas Mavericks (part of the Rajon Rondo trade)
06 - SF: Jaylen Brown - Drafted by Boston - 2016 1st Round #03
07 - PF: Amir Johnson - Signed as UFA from Toronto Raptors (2 years, $24 million)
08 - PF: Jonas Jerebko - Acquired via trade 2015 from Detroit Pistons
09 - C: Al Horford - Signed as UFA from Atlanta Hawks (4 years, $113 million)
10 - C: Kelly Olynyk - Drafted by Boston - 2013 1st Round #13

2017 Boston Celtics Top 10 Players

01 - PG: Kyrie Irving - Acquired via trade 2017 from Boston Celtics (Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and a 2018 1st Round Pick)
02 - PG: Terry Rozier - Drafted by Boston - 2015 1st Round #16
03 - SG: Jaylen Brown - Drafted by Boston - 2016 1st Round #03
04 - SG: Marcus Smart - Drafted by Boston - 2014 1st #06
05 - SF: Jayson Tatum - Drafted by Boston - 2017 1st #03
06 - SF: Gordon Hayward - Signed as UFA from Utah Jazz (4 years, $128 million)
07 - PF: Marcus Morris - Acquired via trade 2017 from Detroit Pistons (Avery Bradley)
08 - PF: Semi Ojeley - Drafted by Boston - 2017 2nd Round #37
09 - C: Al Horford - Signed as UFA from Atlanta Hawks (4 years, $113 million)
10 - C: Aron Baynes - Signed as UFA from Detroit Pistons (1 year, $4.3 million)
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Great examples of Danny's move-making history. Given this, I think we all need to prepared for some crazy roster-building times over the next couple of season.

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SoberasHotRod said:
He's been telegraphing it for a long time:

- When we made the Donovan and Rudy trades we said we now have assets to trade for a star player
- We are monitoring the Luka situation
- We've put together the most complimentary roster in the NBA for a heliocentric star to play in

Look for us to continue to:

- Be stingy with our assets and continue to acquire more assets
- Only take on short term or tradeable contracts
- Be linked to Luka or other Ball in Hand star players

*Note this is not my plan, but my interpretation of Danny's plan
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I agree that we have great pieces to surround a heliocentric player with.

However we have to account for Hardy and what type of ball he wants to play, since the players we have fit that mold as well.

So while it may look like we are grooming the roster for Luka, Trae or some other playmaking superstar who wants the ball in his hands, it also looks like we are grooming the roster to play fast paced half court offense with unselfish ball movement and shooting threats all around the court.

Both things can be true simultaneously ofc.
 
Danny thought DL Quin and Gobert all sucked so bad, especially Gobert and his contract. He felt Mitchell wasn't loyal and Conley couldn't cut it .... Thank you Ainge for getting rid of all of them ....
 
I believe my first post with this theory was months ago, but I agree this is what’s going on.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
FWIW, I don't personally think waiting around for a disgruntled star is an amazing plan, but I believe this is the way DA sees it:

- He's all about building a championship team, and knows you need star players to do it.
- We've continually said that we don't want a long rebuild, meaning we're not going to rely on drafting and developing a star

I could be wrong about the first bullet point. Maybe DA is fine with just building a nice team that is a perennial playoff team. Potentially we think we can hit lightening in a bottle twice and find another Lauri situation where a good player turns in to an all star under Hardy. I think it's also possible that DA has more intel than us on situations where stars are going to become available in the near future.
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no chance that is Dame though smh
 
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