Davies off the BYU Bball team- Honor Code Violation

[bigb]

BYU had a #1 seed all but sewn up after beating SDSU twice. Now, their best big man is gone, they drop a home game in brutal fashion to NM and even with Davies it probably would have been too much to ask for them to beat the Aztecs 3 straight times (MWC Tourney). What's the seed going to be now? I think if they win the MWC Tourney they still get a 2 or 3 seed. However, with the suspension and last nights loss to NM, I think if BYU loses to SDSU in the conference tourny, they'll probably drop to a 5 or 6.

I also have a question about the honor code. Something that ESPN posted made me curious:



I'm curious about the church attendance. BYU has had it's fair share of Non-Mormon athletes. Do they have to attend church on a regular basis? If so, does it have to be a Mormon church, or can it simply be a church of their denomination? Was Jimmy McMahon really forced to attend Mormon church on Sundays?

I think if BYU can win out and maybe lose in the MWC tourney championship, they can still get a 3 or 4 seed.
As far as the attend church regularly thing, I believe it's pretty much whatever church you want. And regularly is always up for debate and seen differently by everybody. Never even thought of attending BYU though, so I couldn't say for sure.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Does this mean we will never hear the end of "If we had Davies" complaints from the Zoobs after they lose in the 2nd round?

 

[bordelais7]

BYU had a #1 seed all but sewn up after beating SDSU twice. Now, their best big man is gone, they drop a home game in brutal fashion to NM and even with Davies it probably would have been too much to ask for them to beat the Aztecs 3 straight times (MWC Tourney). What's the seed going to be now? I think if they win the MWC Tourney they still get a 2 or 3 seed. However, with the suspension and last nights loss to NM, I think if BYU loses to SDSU in the conference tourny, they'll probably drop to a 5 or 6.

I also have a question about the honor code. Something that ESPN posted made me curious:



I'm curious about the church attendance. BYU has had it's fair share of Non-Mormon athletes. Do they have to attend church on a regular basis? If so, does it have to be a Mormon church, or can it simply be a church of their denomination? Was Jimmy McMahon really forced to attend Mormon church on Sundays?

It's been awhile, but I seem to remember having to submit an annual "ecclesiastical endorsement". Not denomination-specific. Although the form looked and felt eerily like other LDS forms. Some ecclesiastical leader -- in the case of LDS, a bishop -- had to sign.

 

[moevillini]

I also have a question about the honor code. Something that ESPN posted made me curious:

I'm curious about the church attendance. BYU has had it's air share of Non-Mormon athletes. Do they have to attend church on a regular basis? If so, does it have to be a Mormon church, or can it simply be a church of their denomination? Was Jimmy McMahon really forced to attend Mormon church on Sundays?

It's been awhile, but I seem to remember having to submit an annual "ecclesiastical endorsement". Not denomination-specific...

It's been 30-some years since McMahon was there. From what I'd read and heard, the noose has been tightened considerably since those days. During his tenure as QB, the practice of "looking the other way" was more established.

And I looked this up on the BYU website a while back, and as I recall, there's some sort of "moral approval" that non-Mormons have to get, I guess something like the "ecclesiastic endorsement" mentioned above

(if I can quickly find the link, I'll add it in)

it was pretty easy to find
https://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2009-2010ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php#HCOfficeInvovement

Continuing Student Ecclesiastical Endorsement

Students are required to be in good Honor Code standing to be admitted to, continue enrollment at, and graduate from BYU. In conjunction with this requirement, all enrolled continuing undergraduate, graduate, intern, and Study Abroad students are required to obtain a Continuing Student Ecclesiastical Endorsement for each new academic year....

LDS students may be endorsed only by the bishop of the ward (1) in which they live and (2) that holds their current Church membership record.

Non-LDS students are to be endorsed by (1) the local ecclesiastical leader if the student is an active member of the congregation, (2) the bishop of the LDS ward in which they currently reside, or (3) the nondenominational BYU chaplain.

Requirements
LDS students must fulfill their duty in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, attend Church meetings, and abide by the rules and standards of the Church on and off campus.

Students who are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are also expected to maintain the same standards of conduct. They are encouraged to participate in services of their preferred religion. All students must be in good Honor Code standing to graduate, to receive a diploma, and to have the degree posted.

Withdrawn Ecclesiastical Endorsement
A student's endorsement may be withdrawn at any time if the ecclesiastical leader determines that the student is no longer eligible for the endorsement. If an endorsement is withdrawn, no confessional information is exchanged without authorization from the student. Students without a current endorsement are not in good Honor Code standing and must discontinue enrollment. Students who are not in good Honor Code standing are not eligible for graduation, even if they have otherwise completed all necessary coursework. Excommunication, disfellowshipment, or disaffiliation from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints automatically results in the withdrawal of the student's ecclesiastical endorsement and the loss of good Honor Code standing.

I s'pose there's some room for interpretation?

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

..... and as I recall, there's some sort of "moral approval" that non-Mormons have to get, I guess something like the "ecclesiastic endorsement" mentioned above

(if I can quickly find the link, I'll add it in)

I really have to hand it to Dave Rose, Bronco Mendenhall, and their staffs for being able to recruit the kids that they do. I seriously have no idea how they ever get any non-mormon kids to commit to their programs.

 

[candrew]

OK - I'll ask the question.

Is his girlfriend white?

I don't know jack about BYU but I do remember seeing a piece (I think ESPN or HBO) about a black football player from BYU who was dismissed from the team because, he claims, for having sex with his white g/f. He said many of the non-Mormon players on the team had sex but the school singled him out because his g/f was white.

 

[mtnbayou]

Wow. What a bunch of retards. It`s like they are trying to be robots lol.

 

[kwb]

Here's my take. I don't think Davies went and talked to his bishop about what happened. Of course this is only what I think. I've seen it happen where a girlfriend goes and does the confession thing and authorties know who they are dating and it goes from there. Either that or his roommate walked in on him while he was posting her up.

 

[TroutBum]

Look at some of you. Pathetic.

This is like walking up to a bees next, kicking the **** out of it, and then getting mad at the bees for stinging you. This is not BYU's fault. Thank the Gods that at least one school still has the balls to have AND enforce an honor code.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Pretty sweet that this incident has not only ruined BYU's chance at the National Title. But the kids life has been ruined in the process.

Yay!

 

[Duck Rodgers]

This is pretty funny:

https://www.sportspickle.com/opinio...asketball-program-with-a-strict-behavior-code

Pretty sweet that this incident has not only ruined BYU's chance at the National Title. But the kids life has been ruined in the process.

Yay!

Drama Queen. He'll go Dwight Howard beast the weight room, make some personal changes, and put up 20 and 10 next year and BYU will be in the top 10 again sans Jimmer. I'm glad he isn't as mentally weak as you are.

 

[gregbroncs]

That is funny Duck. It wouldn't be funny if it was not close to true.