Game Thread Dec 22, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Wizards

[CVJ]

We also drafted Burks at #12

Down the line #15 was Kawhi and #30 Jimmy Butler #60 Isaiah Thomas

Misery

Stockton and Malone 16th and 13th.

 

[HermanG]

Winning is only a reward if we contend. We haven’t contended since the late 90’s, 24 years. What’s the point of empty wins. All they are.

And how do you know we wont contend with our current core? What evidence have you got? Only thing you accept as an option is tanking and picking players high on the draft. Why is it that you cannot see any other option?

Answer is:
You dont believe in our current players and that they can win big games. You want other players you can believe in. However, those guys coming from the draft, what are the guarantees with them?

Might I offer an alternative:
Maybe give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They have given you every chance to believe they are much better than advertised... so maybe take that chance and actually cheer for the team?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

And how do you know we wont contend with our current core? What evidence have you got? Only thing you accept as an option is tanking and picking players high on the draft. Why is it that you cannot see any other option?

Answer is:
You dont believe in our current players and that they can win big games. You want other players you can believe in. However, those guys coming from the draft, what are the guarantees with them?

Might I offer an alternative:
Maybe give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They have given you every chance to believe they are much better than advertised... so maybe take that chance and actually cheer for the team?

ROTFL!! What fantasy land do you live in??

Look I fully understand the draft is a crap shoot, but it’s the only way we are getting stars, the only way. Markkanen though a good player isn’t a star. Clarkson, not a star, Sexton, not a star. In what fantasy land is this team as constructed a contender? But hey, I’m sure Kevin Durant is just biting his time just waiting to sign with us. Lol

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I swear if we miss out on a top five pick in this draft, what a waste of a rebuild just like the last one or two. I’m not sure I’ll recover.

 

[HermanG]

ROTFL!! What fantasy land do you live in??

Look I fully understand the draft is a crap shoot, but it’s the only way we are getting stars, the only way. Markkanen though a good player isn’t a star. Clarkson, not a star, Sexton, not a star. In what fantasy land is this team as constructed a contender? But hey, I’m sure Kevin Durant is just biting his time just waiting to sign with us. Lol

I live in reality. I see a bunch of guys who are intriguing and playing better than expected. I dont know if they can or cannot win in the playoffs.... nor do I pretend to know, like you do.

You say Markkanen isnt a star.... care to show me evindence or justify why not?

On paper, Markkanen does not have many things working against him... so stating he cannot blossom into a star seems foolish. He is for the first time put to a situation where is the #1 option the opponent is trying to take away.. and he seems to be producing pretty nice numbers regardless.

And due to our system of sharing... he isnt getting the touches and FGA the elite guys do. He is literally #1 in the NBA in 3P% and has elite efficiency inside... just lacking superstar usage. His average rank in all advanced all-around stat categories was what 12th best in the NBA? And some of those stats reward higher volumes...

Superstars are really made in the playoffs. Lets get these guys there and see if we have one...

PS: Durant is a bad example. He has 2 chips, both with Steph, Draymond and Klay. Lots of OP Big 3 teams with KD+other stars around him have just blatantly failed.

 

[Elizah Huge]

ROTFL!! What fantasy land do you live in??

Look I fully understand the draft is a crap shoot, but it’s the only way we are getting stars, the only way. Markkanen though a good player isn’t a star. Clarkson, not a star, Sexton, not a star. In what fantasy land is this team as constructed a contender? But hey, I’m sure Kevin Durant is just biting his time just waiting to sign with us. Lol

Markkanen is a star and I’m not sure what biting his time means.

 

[fishonjazz]

We could have had Jimmer.

Nope. He was drafted #10 thank god so we couldnt get him at #12.
I guess we could have taken him at #3 but that just wasnt going to happen.


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[fishonjazz]

This is a lazy answer.

It Is also the correct answer. It was a lazy question that you asked.


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[fishonjazz]

ROTFL!! What fantasy land do you live in??

Look I fully understand the draft is a crap shoot, but it’s the only way we are getting stars, the only way. Markkanen though a good player isn’t a star. Clarkson, not a star, Sexton, not a star. In what fantasy land is this team as constructed a contender? But hey, I’m sure Kevin Durant is just biting his time just waiting to sign with us. Lol

Did you know that players can be traded for? Draft and free agency isnt the only way to get a star.

Cleveland is a small market team who literally just traded for a star.


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

Oh how may I count everything wrong with what you say.

I live in reality. I see a bunch of guys who are intriguing and playing better than expected. I dont know if they can or cannot win in the playoffs.... nor do I pretend to know, like you do.

Sure, no one can see the future but no one outside of jazz fandom would say we have any kind of chance. Lol

On paper, Markkanen does not have many things working against him... so stating he cannot blossom into a star seems foolish. He is for the first time put to a situation where is the #1 option the opponent is trying to take away.. and he seems to be producing pretty nice numbers regardless.

Lol, he hasn’t been the #1 option, he doesn’t even shoot the most on the team and Beasley and Sexton who both come off the bench are on par with him. He doesn’t have the killer instinct to be a star. Maybe in the future he develops that, but that doesn’t change the fact we should’ve tanked this year. Guys like Agbaji and Simone should be playing more to see what we truely have.

And if we are dealing in reality Markkanen isn’t leading us anywhere this year.

And due to our system of sharing... he isnt getting the touches and FGA the elite guys do. He is literally #1 in the NBA in 3P% and has elite efficiency inside... just lacking superstar usage. His average rank in all advanced all-around stat categories was what 12th best in the NBA? And some of those stats reward higher volumes...

He’s 9th if 3pt %. He’s lacking superstar usage because he refuses to. Not because of sharing the ball. We have moments of sharing.

Superstars are really made in the playoffs. Lets get these guys there and see if we have one...

Lol just lol not much more to say there.

PS: Durant is a bad example. He has 2 chips, both with Steph, Draymond and Klay. Lots of OP Big 3 teams with KD+other stars around him have just blatantly failed.

I’m Merrily pointing out we aren’t signing a star, that we have to draft one.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Stockton and Malone 16th and 13th.

I’m sure that one % chance of that happening will come in the next few years

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Did you know that players can be traded for? Draft and free agency isnt the only way to get a star.

Cleveland is a small market team who literally just traded for a star.


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We aren’t trading for an actual superstar. Just the fools gold kind that won’t get us anywhere. Lol, Mitchell ain’t getting Cle over the top and already had a stacked team. Mitchell isn’t a guy that joins the team and you say they are going to win it all.