Defending the Small lineup

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

With 2 losses in a row against teams with inferior talent, there is a trend none of us liked. Houston found something that worked against us and the spurs exploited it as well.

Both teams were physical with us on defense leading us to scoring 20 less efficiently (more so against houston).

Both teams isolated our centers at the three point line with their speedy scorers.

Both teams played small ball. (Tucker and Gay were the 5s).

Quin didnt counter well enough either game. I think we should expect more of this especially in the playoffs. What lineup fixes it? What player fixes it? Discuss.

 

[LogGrad98]

With 2 losses in a row against teams with inferior talent, there is a trend none of us liked. Houston found something that worked against us and the spurs exploited it as well.

Both teams were physical with us on defense leading us to scoring 20 less efficiently (more so against houston).

Both teams isolated our centers at the three point line with their speedy scorers.

Both teams played small ball. (Tucker and Gay were the 5s).

Quin didnt counter well enough either game. I think we should expect more of this especially in the playoffs. What lineup fixes it? What player fixes it? Discuss.

We don't have the personnel to do anything meaningful against it. Imo we need to up our energy level and play better team D in general. It's not as much about matching up as asserting our game. We didn't do that at all in the last few games, and quin didn't make even the minor adjustments (we're getting killed going over screens, so we....keep fighting over the screens?)

To me the issue is our perimeter defenders are somewhat limited and Quinn isn't using gobert very well on either end. With a small lineup we should be running constant pick and rolls with gobert getting lob after lob. We did none of that. Almost literally none. If they know we won't make use of our best weapon then all they need to do it defend the 3 and we are dead in the water other than some hero ball.

 

[vegas]

Agree Gobert is the obvious mismatch. If the double him we rain 3s. QS already thought of this though, so what gives?

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[Miggs]

It's harder to adjust to this during the game but in a 7 game series I feel comfortable they'd figure out a way to attack it better.

It should be obvious by now pre-game that an opponent might do this. Quin and his staff should already have a response in place (with a counter response or two as well) so they can make the adjustment on the fly.

We really don’t have a bigger, athletic 4 to play the 5 OR be able to switch with Gobert out on the floor is the problem. Using the full MLE on such a player has to be thee priority this off-season.

 

[sahlensguy]

Both the Rockets and the Spurs outscored us in the paint. We are losing defending the point of attack at the three point line.

We could really use a guy like Donte Exum.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If only we had a guy who was 6’8” and built like a tank but could still move his feet to stay in front of people. It would help if that player also could get some blocks and steals... maybe he could shoot a little that’d be amazing... damn wonder where we could find such a dude...https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629752/

 

[kabenac]

If only we had a guy who was 6’8” and built like a tank but could still move his feet to stay in front of people. It would help if that player also could get some blocks and steals... maybe he could shoot a little that’d be amazing... damn wonder where we could find such a dude...https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629752/

I'm all for Morgan getting some actual playing time. In the G-League he's proven he's great on the pick-and-roll and he's a solid passer. He seems to have a good basketball IQ (based on how good he is on the pick-and-roll as well as positioning himself for offensive boards).

He has the instincts and doesn't seem to get lost on defense but I think he needs to work on his lateral quickness.

 

[LogGrad98]

I wonder why they won't give Morgan some burn. What is there to lose really? Other than he seems like a PF in a SF body. But if he could provide some details pressure on opposing wings. I'd like to see them give him a chance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wonder why they won't give Morgan some burn. What is there to lose really? Other than he seems like a PF in a SF body. But if he could provide some details pressure on opposing wings. I'd like to see them give him a chance.

In another thread Terence Davis was brought up... it isn't some stroke of genius that they got him and are doing well, but it is genius and gutsy that they actually play him and allowed him to flourish.

We are slow to make rotation changes at times. Would Morgan be worse than TB? I doubt it... and even if he was it wouldn't be so much worse that it costs us... like there is a fairly low bar there.

I like that we are using our end of roster spots on high upside guys or cheap guys that could be bargain rotation players... but those guys don't help if they don't actually get some run. Morgan and Brantley could provide things we need. Maybe they can't but why the **** can't we try? In game adjustments to the rotation seem to be something Quin's studied out mind can't handle.

There was also the NO game where he threw Bradley in and I was thinking... what does Quin expect him to add with where this game is? Its too formulaic at times. Last night I think Morgan is down with the G League squad, but Brantley was on the bench... why not try it?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With 2 losses in a row against teams with inferior talent, there is a trend none of us liked. Houston found something that worked against us and the spurs exploited it as well.

Both teams were physical with us on defense leading us to scoring 20 less efficiently (more so against houston).

Both teams isolated our centers at the three point line with their speedy scorers.

Both teams played small ball. (Tucker and Gay were the 5s).

Quin didnt counter well enough either game. I think we should expect more of this especially in the playoffs. What lineup fixes it? What player fixes it? Discuss.

Our defensive scheme has been a little rigid at times, but we also don't have enough defense on the wings. We can have bad defenders on the floor because we can close to the three and funnel everything to Rudy in the paint. But that doesn't work with an undersized rim protector in Davis or a foul prone young center who doesn't really protect the rim all that well... so a scheme adjustment needs to happen when Rudy is out... it would also help to add some wing defense and a better second unit anchor.

The clippers, Lakers, Rockets, and Mavs will all play 5 out at times in the playoffs and could hurt us.

It would also help if we'd throw the lob more and punish those teams... they make it harder to do I guess, but you have to find some way to punish them.

 

[jom2003]

We are just horrendous at perimeter defense with this current roster. Unless we make a trade before deadline or else there's not much we can do about it.

 

[jom2003]

If only we had a guy who was 6’8” and built like a tank but could still move his feet to stay in front of people. It would help if that player also could get some blocks and steals... maybe he could shoot a little that’d be amazing... damn wonder where we could find such a dude...https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629752/

Ed Davis for Josh Jackson.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ed Davis for Josh Jackson.

Why exactly does Memphis do that? If Ed was expiring maybe, but Jazz won't take on Josh's baggage.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We'd need a solid rebounding wing... helps if they can shoot. On the cheap - MKG may get bought out after the deadline, Demarre Carroll is out of the rotation and makes a little bit more than Ed... so maybe they'd trade straight up.

Outside of that I think you need to move Conley if you want something better than that.

Just fuggin play Morgan as backup 5 and then win teh championships.

 

[MVP]

Is the problem defending small lineup or scoring vs small lineup? I feel that we do not score well enough against those midget lineups to force them to adjust to us instead of us panicking and trying to adjust to them.

 

[jom2003]

Why exactly does Memphis do that? If Ed was expiring maybe, but Jazz won't take on Josh's baggage.

To help their playoff chances. Ed would still be useful to teams that aren't heavily relying on their bigs to guard everyone and everything cuz their perimeter defender **** the bed almost every night. And ed's contract is not bad at all to teams that aren't in any type of timeline or cap constrain.

And you said it yourself, we need a 6’8er who can stay in front of their opponent while getting you some blocks and steals. That is Josh Jackson.

He’s clearly not garbage and wouldn't be available otherwise if it wasn't for his off court issues. But his contract expires in the summer so there's hardly any risk with trying him out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To help their playoff chances. Ed would still be useful to teams that aren't heavily relying on their bigs to guard everyone and everything cuz their perimeter defender **** the bed almost every night. And ed's contract is not bad at all to teams that aren't in any type of timeline or cap constrain.

And you said it yourself, we need a 6’8er who can stay in front of their opponent while getting you some blocks and steals. That is Josh Jackson.

He’s clearly not garbage and wouldn't be available otherwise if it wasn't for his off court issues. But his contract expires in the summer so there's hardly any risk with trying him out.

I don’t think he’s garbage... I said he’s got baggage. It’s not great stuff or another team would likely take a chance... we don’t go after guys with this type of baggage... I can’t think of one.

 

[jom2003]

I don’t think he’s garbage... I said he’s got baggage. It’s not great stuff or another team would likely take a chance... we don’t go after guys with this type of baggage... I can’t think of one.

Cuz other teams don't necessarily have that extra piece they also would love to get rid of themselves to throw in for him. Jackson is one of those guys that you won't mind having, but would not necessarily want to give up anyone currently on your active roster in exchange for.

Luckily we have Ed.

We'd still win the trade easily even if Jackson never puts on a Jazz uniform cuz we got rid of Ed's 2 yr contract.

 

[sahlensguy]

Is the problem defending small lineup or scoring vs small lineup? I feel that we do not score well enough against those midget lineups to force them to adjust to us instead of us panicking and trying to adjust to them.

While not a volume scorer, I swear Mudiay looked like he had his way with smaller defenders.

 

[MVP]

To help their playoff chances. Ed would still be useful to teams that aren't heavily relying on their bigs to guard everyone and everything cuz their perimeter defender **** the bed almost every night. .

In what way Ed Davis is an upgrade for what Memphis have now? They have Brandon Clarke to deal with small lineups who is 10X better than Davis at everything basketball related.