In politics? Are you kidding me? Look at allt he blame Bush gets, or the crap Obama gets for being a "community organizer".
You are in the minority if you think it is time to move on.
Demagoguery At Its Finest
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In politics? Are you kidding me? Look at allt he blame Bush gets, or the crap Obama gets for being a "community organizer".
You are in the minority if you think it is time to move on.
JAG
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Not ignorant and not privileged despite what you think. Did I grow up in the inner city of Detroit? No. But from my experiences the fact that Hurricane Katrina victims did not receive the aid as quickly as possible had nothing to do with the people in government being racist. And one brow, it goes both ways. I can make the generalized statement that all blacks (or any minorities) are racist against white people. And there is plenty of instances where that is true too. However, like my previous comment, I believe that that racism exists in small groups and in individuals and that opinion is not held by the majority of African American citizens. Conflict exists, people of different nationalities stick together because its the natural thing to do but I am sure that we have moved on enough that we can view everyone as an individual instead of making some overly dramatic generalization. Come on one brow, I would hope that you are better than that......
jimmy eat jazz
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You'll note that went back quickly and edited out the 'Time to move on' comment as I felt it inappropriate. You just replied too soon.
Geez, I misread your reply. Sorry. If you read my initial response, once again I have availed myself of the edit function, and I apologize. Crap!
I may be in the minority here, but that's fine with me.
jimmy eat jazz
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I agree with this. But I should add that not being black, let alone an underprivileged black, I cannot even begin to understand their experience or their perceptions. I don't think racism is as common as some claim, but I also don't think it is as uncommon as others claim. I don't rule out as implausible the possibility that racism did influence what happened here, although I would also want to see some proof and prefer not just to assume it because things went FUBAR.
I didn't see this one before you edited it. No harm no foul. I am also fine when I appear to be a lone dissenting voice as well.
What I got out of this thread is that Stoked is really bad at math.
Is that what Obama talked about in his speech?
Is that what Obama talked about in his speech?
Close enough.
JAG
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Is it racsim if its against your own race? Definition of racism: Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief. Thus by ths definition, African American's cannot be racist against other African Americans. People certainly discriminate against people of their own race. But in my little fairy tale, I believe that this happens on a small group/individual basis. And perhaps the "human situation" is to make dramatic generaliztions - so why would we ever try to rise above such generalizations? Perhaps with just accepting those generalizations without trying to discern the truth, you have become the ignorant one?
And if you really think that "black" people are more "racist" against their own race than white people then you can continue to live in your fairy tale...
If you really want to argue a definition, you should at least go to the trouble of looking it up first (unless you enjoy looking like a fool/jerk).
https://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I agree it happens on that basis. It is also on a cultural basis.
One of the reason I have identified meself as a skeptic and encouraged myself to think skeptically is to begin to see past the generalizations. However, I am still human.
My particular fairy tale is populated by the people I see around me every day, the kids I grew up with, and the words that come/came out of their mouths. It's also been supported by various studies of the issue.
However, yo uhave your opinion. Who can argue with that?
JAG
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Do you honestly think I posted that definition without looking it up first. Try typing in "racism defintion" into google.... I guess we can all find the definition that fits our points the best. And you don't seem to be a skeptic because just in this thread you have made assumptions about my character and the character of other people. You have your life experiences and I have mine. You make assumptions about me (assumed that I was priviledged and ignorant - thus I fall into a certain category.) You're world view and my world view are obviously different but you accuse me of living in a fairy tale (which I have based on my experiences) just as you have based your opinion on your experiences. My point from the start of all of this was that I do not believe racism to be the root of all problems when dealing with things like relief efforts. And let's be honest - this point is futile because you will never convince me, and I will never convince you. However, like the name of this thread, Obama is guilty of being a demagoguery.
The community organizer was pissed the government didn't cram an endless & accounting free lifeline up his precious little dirty ACORN ***? No.
Also, why was he pissed that we helped all those Cubans & Latinos in Florida during their hurricane? Between that and him deporting Mexicans at a much faster rate than Bush I'm curious if he Latinos even more than whitey. (<--Salty's Alter Ego)
Also, why was he pissed that we helped all those Cubans & Latinos in Florida during their hurricane? Between that and him deporting Mexicans at a much faster rate than Bush I'm curious if he Latinos even more than whitey. (<--Salty's Alter Ego)
Not true. I've met his wife, and she pulls this kind of **** all the time. A good *** kicking is good for a woman, trust me.
jazz_fanatic
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Speaking of math, I may be the only Asian who sucks at it. However, I did ace my calculus class...but I have no idea how I did it.
Why are we talking about math?
Why are we talking about math?
You break all sorts of Asian stereotypes, which is amusing.
I don't know what you tried to do in getting a dictionary definition. I tried tying "definition racism" into Yahoo!, and used the very first link. Since Yahoo! seems to have some sort of arrangement with the American Heritage dictionary, that comes up first. What source did you use?
I don't recall commenting one bit on your character. I comment on things like how statements appear, why certain argument may be pointless, etc. None of that reflects your character.
As for being priviledged and ignorant, they are the inevitable conclusion of the statements you made. The effects of government actions show differences based on race. The actions of individuals show differences based on race. The only reason to think otherwise is being ignorant of the facts. The reason such ignorance is prevalence is that it doesn't touch your life or the life of people you know (aka "priviledge").
I agree racism was not the root of the problems in the relief effort. I believe the argument being offered is that, when other relief effrots encounter severe problems, people acted in highly motivated ways that circumvented these problems, and far fewer such circumventions seemed typical of the response to Katrina.
Obama is a US politician, so of course he demagogues.
Pretty much all Asians break all sorts of Asian stereotypes. In fact, pretty much all _____s break all sorts of ________ stereotypes.
PearlWatson
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hack...lolz
JAG
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Oxforddictionary.com (source of defintion)
My statements are not an inevitable conclusion that I am ignorant and priviledged. How can you deduce that I don't know what I am talking about? You only know me from the few posts that I have made? I have avoided assumptions about you because I have very little insight into your life and your situation, and I would appreciate if you did the same. You claim that those that are "priviledged" are ignorant of the situation - me especially because I am not subject to such things nor are the people that I associate. How can you be sure? As I said before, I did not grow up in an innercity. Also, I am a white citizen. But not all people who fit that description are ignorant and priviledged and it sounds like you automatically assume that. I have seen, heard, and experienced racism directed towards both white citizens and minorities. I have family that live in other parts of the country where racism is supposedly a huge issue. I have also taken classes that have directly addressed these issues we discuss and have thus researched and read into them as well. And after all of that, I have come out concluding that racism is not a prevalent ideaology. I have concluded that the majority of American citizens pay no mind to the color of a person's skin in these (or really any) situation. I have concluded that other social apsects (weight, income, and how and why people are receiving government assistance to name a few) are what people are judged more on in 2012. Racism has become a cop out. Once again, this is my world view (or as you put it, my "fairy tale"). Yours is obviously different and I can respect that. But as I have refrained from making any assmptions based on your posts as to how you have assembled your world view, please grant me the same courtesy.
You are correct that I only know you from a handful of posts. Iny conclusions I have reached have been based on the contents of those posts. I agree not every white, suburban citizen is ignorant of their privilege (although they all benefit from it, it's not like you can control that). Thank you for sharing your judgements. Studies on the issue indicate otherwise. For example, studies where men are sent to jobs with identical resumes, and the white men wind up being offered better jobs than black men. I find studies more persuasive than the judgement of some person I only know from a handful of posts. I'm funny that way.
I absolutely assure that I will make no assumptions about you besidees what you reveal in your posts. I take everyone at their word. For example, I never think of some poster A as being an alternate account for some poster B. If they want to present themself as two different people, I treat them as two different people. Similarly, I make no judgements about you, except based on the contents of your posts.
Yes, your worldview, as you have described it, gives every indication of being a fairy-tale.