Demagoguery At Its Finest

[JGolds]

I do not have to prove how they won't be racist. That right there is the very notion that I reject! I refuse to automatically assume that they are. "...by your fruits ye shall know them..."

Automatically assuming anything is what helps continue hate in any form.

All libs are unpatriotic, all conservatives cling to bibles and guns, all mulsims are terrorists, all white groups "defending white rights" (your term, not mine) are racist, all blacks on welfare are lazy and dependant on the government teat, Baptists are hate filled, Asians are all smart math and science nerds, Mexicans are stupid, Americans are all fat and lazy, all European women are slutty...

********. Pure and simple ********. If that is how you want to view the world than God bless. You have that right. But I flat out refuse to. If you want me to think I am blind to reality, refuse to acknowledge the truth..whatever, that is fantastic. I feel the same way about you.

I will judge each and every group/person based on what they do. Not what others have done or what I think they will do.

I must spread rep around first... dang it to bad. so i will just give you an IOU rep point lol. Nice point!!!

Its so true though, some of the biggest descrimating that happens now are the people that rule infinites. the people who say "once like this always like this" or those who have been screwed over by some one say "that type of people will awlays be like that it is who they are" and honestly its this attitude that dams growth and progression.

 

[One Brow]

I will judge each and every group/person based on what they do. Not what others have done or what I think they will do.

If a group hass the official position of expatriating every person of black descent to Aftrica, but they hold no rallies on this subject, adn primarily play bridge, than their groups is not racist, to you?

 

[Stoked]

If a group hass the official position of expatriating every person of black descent to Aftrica, but they hold no rallies on this subject, adn primarily play bridge, than their groups is not racist, to you?

What they did in this case is take a stance against black people. Sounds racist to me.

What group is this and provide a link please?

 

[One Brow]

What they did in this case is take a stance against black people. Sounds racist to me.

What group is this and provide a link please?

I should have been more clear: that was a hypothetical example. I was testing to see exactly how firmly you planted in the "by their actions only" camp.

 

[Stoked]

I should have been more clear: that was a hypothetical example. I was testing to see exactly how firmly you planted in the "by their actions only" camp.

Oh ok. If any of their official stances are racist than I will call it so. Any racial/ethnic group claiming that another ethnic/racial group has to leave "their" territory is racist to some degree. How do they want them to leave? by force? On their own peacefully? Thru economic sanctions?

There are levels of hatred as well. But in this case the above is a group I would not join and would denounce.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They got the aid there as fast as possible.

But from my experiences the fact that Hurricane Katrina victims did not receive the aid as quickly as possible...

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

 

[JGolds]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

looks like a bad case of you taking stuff out of context to me.....

 

[NUMBERICA]

looks like a bad case of you taking stuff out of context to me.....

It either got there as fast as possible or it didn't. It's really simple. Maybe try less hard. Or... try harder, but you'll get there.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And by the way, the management of Katrina was a total debacle. That's why it became a socio-political issue to begin with, and followed with news coverage of "looting" from people that were black, and some form of raw survivalism when it was a white person.

 

[JAG]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what JAG is saying. I'll try to step back and read it more carefully. Currently, my reading of him is precisely that he is denying this.



I think it's quite possible for a Polish heritage club (as an example) to not be racist. I also agree that merely being idiotic is not being racist. However, with regard to this specific student union, I provided specific verbiage from seems to be a refldection of their goals, and that specific verbiage, to me, revealed the union was trying to defend white rights, a position that is basically a racist position.

So far, you have shown no willingness to describe how an organization to promote/defend white rights could be anthing other than racist. You also have not disputed the purpose of this particular student organization.


Not all villians were black hats and twirl mustaches.

I never said racism did not exist. I only ever stated that the majority of Americans are not racist. As I said in my earlier posts, I have heard and seen (minor) acts of racism. I know it exists, however, I do not believe that racism is nearly as big if an issue as you have made it out to be, or originally, Mr. Obama in his speech. Yes, I would be ignorant if I said that no form of racism exists - but I did not say that.

 

[JAG]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Bad choice of wording. And definitely taken a little out of context. Racism did not prevent the aid from getting there quickly - it was the flooding, destruction, and lack of organization that prevented it from getting there immediately but they got it there as fast as possible.

 

[PearlWatson]

And by the way, the management of Katrina was a total debacle. That's why it became a socio-political issue to begin with, and followed with news coverage of "looting" from people that were black, and some form of raw survivalism when it was a white person.

A liberal governor, and a liberal mayor were in charge of the debacle.

Some may argue this point but Nikes, jerseys, cake, and beer ain't necessities.

 

[JAG]

Which studies is your research based upon?



It's not only you. I certainly acknowledge I have my own unsupported, unsubstantiated notions of the world. However, the existence of racism in modern-day US culture is supported and substantiated. Choosing to deny is choosing to say that evidence doesn't matter.



In neither case is there research on both sides. There are no scientific studies that support Creationism over evolutionary theory. There are none supporting the notion that racism is non-existant in society. The Golden Mean is a fallacy. One side is actually correct.

I am not going to sit here and list evey journal article I have read on the issue. Just as you have not provided any references either. And I know for a fact that you will be able to pick apart my references just as I could yours if I had the desire. This debate is getting tiresome. As I have said, I have taken political science classes that have discussed this as well as sociology classes. (And for the record, I have also taken classes that have discussed the theory of evolution (and looked at both sides of the issues.) The fact is, we can all find sources that support our beliefs. We can all find studies that support the points we are trying to make. (Just like the basic definition thing earlier) So what does that make this debate? Nothing more than various people's opinions on this issue who all have reasons to support their claim. To say that you are entirely correct on both issues is to be ignorant - as neither can be proven 100% true. There is speculation, hypotheses, and opinions surrounding both issues here and I will not relent my opinions (just as you will not relent yours) until the issue becomes absolute one one or another (like the Law of Gravity.)

The link posted is an article I read recently that echoes my view but goes further saying that racism is a tool created by minorities to gain sympathy and control. I am not using this to debate, just as a way to provide evidence that there is publication and research conducted that does support my view.
https://www.nationalreview.com/articles/288353/obama-s-racial-politics-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1

As for me, I am done. Say all you want, say you win, call me ignorant, but I have made my point. This argument is futile and I am choosing to end my participation in this discussion. Instead of wasting time debating this with you, I am choosing to get off my computer and head out into the world and maybe, just maybe, will have an opportunity to actually do something constructive concerning the issue and perhaps make this world a better place.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Bad choice of wording. And definitely taken a little out of context. Racism did not prevent the aid from getting there quickly

Did I say it was?

It either got there as quick as possible or it didn't.

For the record, the correct answer is that it didn't and you know it didn't.

 

[NUMBERICA]

A liberal governor, and a liberal mayor were in charge of the debacle.

You know your mind consists of pig ****, right?

I'm sure the president of the United States denying a request for federal assistance to the New Orleans area had nothing to do with it, in addition to kicking back for two days after one of the greatest natural disasters in this country's history. Blaming everything on liberalism makes it real easy for anyone that puts an ounce of effort into being fair to completely disregard everything you have to say.

And oh yeah, black people. **** them. Totally, dude.

 

[One Brow]

There is speculation, hypotheses, and opinions surrounding both issues here and I will not relent my opinions (just as you will not relent yours) until the issue becomes absolute one one or another (like the Law of Gravity.)

The link posted is an article I read recently that echoes my view but goes further saying that racism is a tool created by minorities to gain sympathy and control. I am not using this to debate, just as a way to provide evidence that there is publication and research conducted that does support my view.
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This argument is futile

I agree this argument is futile. If you confuse Hansen's screed (or any other editorial by any other writer) with evidence, if you think that somehow the foundations of gravity are better undrstood, better accepted, or better tested than those of evolution, then you don't even understand what evidence or science is. One quick example: were you aware the Law of Gravity is not universally true, but just a good aproximation in everyday work?

I haven't won anything. However, you have lost a chance to expand your knowledge, preferring to stay inside your comfortable bubble.