Deron Teasing AJ
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LifeOnaPlate
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I think Deron would have about 3 more APG if Jefferson could connect on a few more FGs. Right now he is shooting 46%. Coming off an injury Boozer is shooting 50%. I point this out not to say I want Boozer, but to say Deron's APG may be a bit lower based on missed FGs by Al which should otherwise be easy buckets. I know all PGs are dishing to guys who might miss it and that is a factor in their assist totals, but it seems Deron is getting Al the ball effectively in a way that isn't seen based on a few shots that other guys would likely make. I think Al's % will rise to the mid-50s by the end of the season, though.
LifeOnaPlate
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PS- For folks who can't watch the vid right now, Deron said the team teases Al a bit when he says he's never won 3 straight, or 7 straight, and that Utah has won more already than Minny did last season, etc. Deron jokingly told Al during a playful argument that he would request Kevin to trade Jefferson. Jefferson said he would chain himself to the locker room.
Right. 46% is low for an all-star center. He needs to go over 50. I'd like to see 52-55, but maybe this is wishful thinking. For comparison, Boozer was about a 54% shooter in a Jazz uni.
DutchJazzer
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how many blocks does bozzer have this season? 3. how many did al have last night?
6. so the whole season bozzer has had 3 blocks jefefrson last night 6
DutchJazzer
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so stop comparing any player to bozzer?
bozzer is gone. im tired of hearing about bozzer
bozzer is gone. im tired of hearing about bozzer
billyshelby
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Al was a consistent 50 percent shooter before he got to Utah. And that's doing it all by himself in the post. He's getting better with the system here, but he's still not natural at it. You can see he's still working on the little things--where the passes are out of double teams, when to pass rather than Iso his man down low. The P&R with Deron is definitely improving, as is his interior passing with Sap. Once he's all the way on board, he'll never shoot less than 52 in a season for us. I can see him getting up to 55.
This.
Think of the two perspective of where AJ is today and where Boozer is today. One guy spent the last 5ish years running plays, perfecting a pick and roll (which every team in nba uses) getting used to baseline cuts from teammates, and learning that the ball can come at you at any moment when the pointguard has the ball. The other guy spent the last 5ish years getting the ball handed to him, the teammates back away and then said player 'goes to work.'
it is very evident from my pick up games those who are used to playing in a team environment and coached accordingly and those who are not.
AJ needs some time.
And DutchJazzer tries to derail yet another thread with off-the-wall bitching and moaning... You need a nickname Dutch, but frankly, I haven't been able to come up with anything that suits your rainhut-esque character. Actually, sorry to you rainhut, you're not that low.
Barely .50, but doing it all himself makes this more impressive. I'm not buying into this whole give him time to learn the offense/retrain/become a Jerry's Jedi argument anymore. He's missing plenty of good looks, and putting them in the bucket will easily push him up 5%. He misses at least one gimme a night. He also misses a lot where he's going soft and gets fouled. And 1's will push his scoring and fg% higher. This is where I'd like to see improvement rather than a 25+ games into the season excuse that he just needs time to learn the offense. It's been 26 and this isn't his first rodeo. He knows the offense by now. He's been doing nothing but learning the offense for what 90 straight days now? Put in one easy shot a night and get one more and 1 and he's 55-58% and 20+ easily.
Barely .50, but doing it all himself makes this more impressive. I'm not buying into this whole give him time to learn the offense/retrain/become a Jerry's Jedi argument anymore. He's missing plenty of good looks, and putting them in the bucket will easily push him up 5%. He misses at least one gimme a night. He also misses a lot where he's going soft and gets fouled. And 1's will push his scoring and fg% higher. This is where I'd like to see improvement rather than a 25+ games into the season excuse that he just needs time to learn the offense. It's been 26 and this isn't his first rodeo. He knows the offense by now. He's been doing nothing but learning the offense for what 90 straight days now? Put in one easy shot a night and get one more and 1 and he's 55-58% and 20+ easily.
DutchJazzer
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ooh i'm scared. anyways i'm gonna make you squeel like a pig deliverance style
billyshelby
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Al finished at 62% last season around the basket (NBA Hotspots.) I'm not remotely worried about his ability to finish. But what you see if you look closely is a guy who SUDDENLY gets the ball near the basket sometimes. That's because he's not all the way in sync. The Jazz O has so many moving parts. And when a guy's timing is thrown just a little off, he's going to miss more shots. Now when he's getting the ball fully EXPECTING it, watch out. There really is a learning curve. It's subtle, and these guys are professionals, but it's there.
That's not that good, especially considering how poor his shooting was just outside of 3 feet. For comparison, Both Boozer and Brewer shot 64% at the same range, Deron shot 58%. Marcin Gortat is 62%. It doesn't help that in the next range (I'm estimating 3 to 10 feet) Al was less than 40% at all spots.
Al is a good player. But that's kind of my point; he's not great. If we're depending on him to be our elite around-the-basket, power post player, he has to be a lot better than what he has been. 62% for a player of his reputation is a little disappointing. If he can bring his rebounding up and block 2+ shots per game, then I'm less concerned.
I would like to see a breakdown for this year, though. Anyone have that info?
Some guys are talented enough to adjust in motion. Others learn through repetition and incredible muscle memory. I'd like to see a versatile AJ who can catch and adjust enough to score rather than an AJ who requires the exact replicata of a practiced play. I understand he's probably a little out of sync and that's causing some misses. What I'm seeing, however, are blown layups that a 7 footer should put down rather regularly. He's also soft where aggression will put him on the line after a dunk.
billyshelby
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Tim Duncan was 62, Stoudemire 63, Gasol 59, Bosh 60, Howard 65, Lopez 59. 62 is a really solid number. Boozer's is just awesome. No doubt Al isn't the shooter that Boozer is and will never be. But I think he'll start looking a lot more elite around the hoop as this season wears on.
billyshelby
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This is what I think you should do: Next couple games, rewatch Sap's offensive possessions and Al's. Watch how Sap and Deron are already in perfect rhythm. Whether Sap is rolling to the hoop or just moving without the ball, he's ready for every single pass. So when he catches it, he's either stepping right into a jumper or advancing to the basket with continuity on most plays. Then watch Al. 1) Al is still thinking a little bit about where he needs to move at all. 2) He frequently catches it a little out of rhythm on the move, ESPECIALLY if the ball DOESN'T come from Deron. It might seem like nothing, but that little start and stop is a hiccup that throws off timing.
I could list other things I see: Sap knows AK, for example, is always looking to fling passes in to him. Sap knows where guys are moving even if he can't see them and thus he can play more instinctual. Jefferson clearly doesn't know exactly where guys are when possessions get screwy as the clock advances. And the idea he could cut to the basket and get a pass from a wing player is practically alien to him. So is the idea he could get the ball on the block and dart a quick pass to a cutting wing. You can see him learning, but he's nowhere near as fluid as Sap at this point which is what I'm getting at.
LifeOnaPlate
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I was trying to keep the discussion confined to FG% and its effect on DWill's assist numbers. If Charles Barkley was the one getting a bunch of DWill passes last season rather than Bozzer I would have mentioned him instead. Like I said, I don't miss Bozzer. I prefer Jefferson, and I am glad he's getting some good blocks, etc. I just think, based on his proximity to the basket on his shots, that he ought to bring the percentage up a bit. Look at Jefferson's "HotSpots" for last season:
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I was trying to keep the discussion confined to FG%. Like I said, I don't miss Bozzer. I prefer Jefferson, and I am glad he's getting some good blocks, etc. I just think, based on his proximity to the basket on his shots, that he ought to bring the percentage up a bit. Look at Jefferson's "HotSpots" for last season:
Dude, I know I'm interpreting this graph wrong. What do all the numbers mean? Surely it can't be FGA-FGM for each section?