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You're the only poster I recall who was on the pro-Deron side of that trade. The only one.
What?
I have NEVER been pro-Deron. I was one of the first calling him out and saying the Jazz should trade him. I was slammed numerous times for saying he was responsible for Sloan quitting. Don't know where you get your delusions, but please, find any post of mine saying KOC shouldn't have traded Deron or that we should have waited to see IF he would sign a MAX contract. I guarantee you won't be able to find ONE single post like that.
 
I loved this trade from day 1 and, if memory serves, that was the consensus opinion on this board
It was the majority opinion, but never the consensus. There were a handful who slammed KOC and maintained the belief that Deron would have remained in Utah had the Jazz offered him a max deal.
 
I read the article below and all I could think of is Jerry Sloan made this guy. He will never return to form without Jerry.


Aging Stars, Huge Payroll Mere Symptoms of Nets' Real Issue—Deron Williams
By Howard Beck , NBA National Columnist May 15, 2014

The number always overshadowed the names—$190 million worth of grand expectations, a lavish investment in instant gratification.

That was the price the Brooklyn Nets would pay, in salaries and luxury taxes, after acquiring Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett last summer in a bold play to become title contenders.

The dream died Wednesday night in Miami, in Game 5 of the second round, five weeks and 11 victories shy of a championship. Nets officials insist the investment is not yet a bust, that Pierce and Garnett could return next season, that Brook Lopez could return to health, that the championship window is still open, if only by a few inches.

None of that is certain.

Pierce could leave as a free agent, perhaps to join old friend Doc Rivers in Los Angeles. Garnett could retire, and just might if Pierce were to leave. If the two proud former Celtics walk away, then the Nets will have broken the payroll record—and given up three first-round draft picks—for nothing.

But the fixation on the price tag, and even on the trade itself, obscures the Nets' greatest problem—*a previous, equally costly investment that has gone bust:

You remember Deron Williams?

You could be forgiven if you didn't. Williams was a dud in the playoffs, particularly against the Heat. He scored zero points in Game 2, nine points in Game 3 and 13 points (on 5-of-14 shooting) in a Game 4 loss that pushed the Nets to the brink of elimination. Williams' postseason field-goal percentage: 39.5.

The Nets imported Pierce and Garnett for their wisdom and their fire, but no one expected the two aging vets to carry the offense. It is Williams who was acquired to be the face of the franchise, the engine of the Nets offense, and he has utterly failed in that role.

No matter how many tens of millions they spend, no matter how many flashy trades they make, the Nets will never be a serious contender unless Williams regains his All-Star form.

"Deron's the X-factor," said one Nets official. "More than anybody."

Since Williams' celebrated arrival in 2011, the Nets have made two trips to the playoffs, one ending in the first round and one in the second, for a postseason record of 8-11.

The Nets' debut season in Brooklyn ended with a humiliating Game 7 loss on their home court to a broken-down Chicago Bulls team. LeBron James ended their 2014 run, which would be easier to rationalize if not for the fact that the Nets lasted just five games, despite their gaudy payroll, their superior depth and a lineup stocked with decorated stars—Williams, Pierce, Garnett and Joe Johnson.

Losing Lopez to season-ending foot surgery in December surely put a crimp in the Nets offense, but it also forced coach Jason Kidd to adopt the small-ball lineup that turned the season around.

So much more was expected of this group.

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Jason Kidd faces an offseason that could see him lose both Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett from his roster.
You can attribute those expectations to the arrival of Pierce and Garnett, but they were always going to be complementary players in Brooklyn because of their age and their mileage. The Nets' fate still rested primarily with their core trio of Johnson, Williams and Lopez, the same group that withered against the Bulls last spring.

The same frailties emerged in this latest run, with the Nets often buckling in pressure-packed fourth quarters and, most damningly, in the final minutes of fourth quarters.

The Nets trailed Miami by just two points with seven minutes to play in Game 2 but got blown out down the stretch. Game 4 was tied with 2:30 to play, but the Heat closed with an 8-2 run. And on Wednesday night, with their season on the line, the Nets blew a nine-point fourth-quarter lead and then watched their dreams slip away amid a flurry of crunch-time miscues.

No one player can be blamed for the lousy late-game execution, but it is the job of the point guard (and franchise player) to maintain order and to put his teammates in the best position to succeed. Time and again, Williams has shown he is incapable of leading when the pressure is at its highest. When the Nets needed salvation this season, they turned to Johnson and Pierce.

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Billy King and Deron Williams.
This is surely not what general manager Billy King envisioned three years ago, when he plucked Williams from Utah and made him the franchise centerpiece. That Williams was then considered the equal (or at least close rival) of Chris Paul is of little comfort now, with Williams perpetually battling ankle injuries and crises of confidence.

"I used to feel like I was the best player on the court, no matter who we were playing against," Williams told reporters Thursday, an implicit acknowledgment of his diminished status.

The Williams trade cost the Nets two first-round picks, plus promising forward Derrick Favors. (The picks turned into Enes Kanter and Gorgui Dieng.) But the real cost has been so much greater.

In 2012, the Nets sent an unprotected first-round pick to Portland for the aging Gerald Wallace—a move made to placate Williams, who was miserable on a losing team and was demanding veteran help. That draft pick turned into Damian Lillard, who has quickly blossomed into an elite point guard.

At the time, the Nets' entire mission was to keep Williams happy to ensure he re-signed with them before the franchise moved to Brooklyn. That mindset cost them again in July 2012, when the Nets—pressed to give Williams an All-Star running mate—acquired Johnson from Atlanta for a package that included another first-round pick (Houston's, in 2013). The Nets also gave the Hawks the right to swap first-round picks in 2014 and 2015.

Of course, that 2014 pick now belongs to Boston, along with first-round picks in 2016 and 2018—the price of acquiring Pierce and Garnett.

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The addition of Joe Johnson convinced Deron Williams to stay with the Nets but limited the team's payroll flexibility.
With Johnson and Wallace in the fold, Williams did re-sign—for a maximum contract of $100 million over five years.

Whether the Nets have been bold and aggressive or merely impulsive and foolish is in the eye of the beholder. But this was the agenda set by owner Mikhail Prokhorov, who demanded star players, a big splash in Brooklyn and a championship within five years after purchasing the team in 2010.

The Nets have one year left to meet their owner's goal and, at most, one more year with Pierce and Garnett stabilizing the lineup. Getting Lopez back would help. The Nets surely could have used a 20-point scorer in the paint against Miami.

Team officials were encouraged by Mirza Teletovic and see promise in Mason Plumlee. The Nets also hold the rights to Bojan Bogdanovic, a European star who could either join the Nets next season or be used in a trade.

But Pierce will be 37 next fall, Garnett 38 and Johnson 33. This team has little upside unless Williams somehow rediscovers the swagger that made him a star in Utah.

There is an alternative, sources say, the Nets will not rule out: They could look to trade Williams this summer, retool around Johnson and Lopez, squeeze one more run out of Pierce and Garnett and hope for the best.

It's hard to say what the Nets might get for a 29-year-old former All-Star with bad ankles and $63 million left on his contract, but it's worth exploring. The Houston Rockets tried to acquire Williams last December, so it's not inconceivable that another team desperate for point-guard help might inquire.

The Nets' rise began with Williams' arrival. Their future hopes may depend on his departure.

Howard Beck covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter, @HowardBeck.

Actually it has more to do with several ankle injuries that DW has had during his career. He was injured again against the Heat and it was a major reason why he didn't play well. I think people are forgetting that DW had a few ankle injuries before he left Utah so in hindsight it was another reasons to trade him. Sloan certainly makes players better but when healthy DW is a great player regardless of the coach.

Unfortunately he has rarely been healthy and that is the main reason why he hasn't played well which includes a lack of confidence in his ability now. This writer is just making DW the scapegoat. Several players played badly including Pierce, KG, AK, and others. It takes time to build a championship team rarely does a team get put together and then goes all the way. Lopez being hurt certainly didn't help. Dw needs to get the surgery and come back healthy to make one more run. Without DW the Nets are even worse off then they are now.

Even though I am glad to have Favors and Kanter both guys have exactly lit the world on fire. This year Favors needs to step it up or the Jazz are going to star wishing they hadn't re-signed him. Kanter has a couple of more years considering he has been held back a bit but if there isn't visible improvement next year then the trade was a push in my opinion. The worse part of the DW saga is that the Nets made the dumb mistake of trading away the pick that became Lillard. Teams like the Knicks/Nets seem to devalue their picks and it comes back to bite them in some way. This is why I want the Jazz to be a little patient before trading some our youth before it has a chance to blossom. Lack of Patience is what gets teams into the lottery every year.
 
You're the only poster I recall who was on the pro-Deron side of that trade. The only one.

My initial reaction to the trade was shock. I was initially upset about the situation but I wouldn't call me a DW lover or hater. I always want to do what is best for the team. My patience was tested because after the trade they continue to try to just make the playoffs. I wanted the rebuild a couple years earlier. I was concerned about DW's health before the trade. He was missing games with the same issues (hurt ankles). The jury is still out because Favors and Kanter still haven't give us what we need but overall I am glad not to have all the drama surrounding DW. I still have my doubts he can recover and be the same player but I think it has more to do with his health than leaving Utah.
 
You're the only poster I recall who was on the pro-Deron side of that trade. The only one.
You may want to reference the Deron-trade thread I just bumped (see post #523 and a couple right after that). I don't have the time to look up the posts I made bashing Deron after Sloan resigned.
There were a handful of pro-Deron supporters, but I was not in that minority.
 
That does sound like your typical drama creating machine.

I bumped the actual trade thread. As I clearly stated, I did not go back and pull one of the ones after the Sloan resignation.

Yet once again, it is YOU who have tried to create drama by calling me out on something and once again I have refuted your hyperbole and absence of fact. You're a one-trick pony, franklin. You make these wild claims and then try to turn the argument in a different direction once proven completely wrong.
 
Rumor is Deron will request a trade from the Nets.
Rumor is 29 GM's are laughing hysterically.
And 29 owners are toasting each other after Prokhorov's attempt to buy a title failed miserably.

If I were Deron, knowing what Prokhorov's connections are in "The Motherland," I'd change my identity and ask about some form of witness relocation.
 
It was the majority opinion, but never the consensus. There were a handful who slammed KOC and maintained the belief that Deron would have remained in Utah had the Jazz offered him a max deal.

Admittedly, I was one of such. I'll go back to hiding in the corner now
 
If take Deron in a heart beat... We could get him for cheap as well!!!
With his salary? So you'd go with Deron, Favors and Kanter or Burks as our "Big-3?" Or I guess you could keep Hayward and try to trade the others for picks.
 
With his salary? So you'd go with Deron, Favors and Kanter or Burks as our "Big-3?" Or I guess you could keep Hayward and try to trade the others for picks.

I wouldn't Trade our First pick so he could be in our Big 3!!

It all depends on who our pick is....

If we get wiggins or Jabari

I'd trade Burke and hayward(sign & trade).

DWill
Burks
Wiggins/Parker
Kanter
Favors

If we get Embiid, Randal or Gordon

If trade Burke and Kanter for DWill!!

DWill
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Embiid, Randal, Gordon

Obviously the first scenario is better cause we get the better player and the money that would go to Hayward goes to getting Deron!!
 
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