derrick favors trade speculation
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The package was Wiggins, Bennett and ?? If I could predict that Gobert would develop like he has and then some, I would make that trade to get Wiggins.
Hedda Gambler
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I don`t think it would make any sense trading Favors for a draft pick while keeping Hayward. If we want to go for a complete blowout, we could do somehing like Favors + Hayward for Wiggins + 2015 #1 + fillers from Minnesota. We would be horrible for a couple of years, but would get a very nice young core of Exum, Gobert, Wiggins and two very good draft picks this year.
Jazz4ever
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I would for a couple reasons. While Wiggins hasn't been great, he has shown he can hit the NBA 3 (41%). This is huge. This will eventually open up the driving game for him once he tightens his handles.
Gobert is very close to being ready to step in and start at center. ESPN ranks Gobert at 64 in RPM, Favors at 90.
Hotdog
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That is how you do it. We could have been sitting with a lot of picks too had we traded Jefferson, Millsap, etc... for picks.
We are sitting in a pretty good position right now, but it could have been so much better. We missed a golden opportunity to really cash in. All for what? The opportunity to get spanked in the first round 1 year?
Not only did we miss out on those picks for trading Jefferson and Millsap, but our own picks got worsening because we were mediocre.
And....... The big thing that was sold we were getting was playoff experience. Lol. None of those players are even on the team anymore, and the players we kept, didn't get much playoff experience.
How frustrating to think about it. So many people knew that's what we should do, except the Jazz FO.
freakazoid
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KOC knew, without a doubt. Unfortunately, part of his job was running the team as a business, and the big fear was pissing off the season ticket holders, which it would have. They also make a lot more money by making the playoffs, even if it's only a few games. Hard to turn down immediate profit to gamble on improving the team while pissing off ticket holders. It's absolutely what they should have done, but it would have looked bad, as it would have been a blatant tank. The anti-tank brigade would have thrown a screaming hissy fit, much like they did with Philly this year. Just the same, I would hope that in the future, our FO has the grapes to make controversial moves, regardless of what the casual fan thinks is acceptable. I do have to give credit for the Deron trade. Most teams wouldn't have been gutsy enough to make that trade.
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Hotdog
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I think that's the case too, but it doesn't make sense to me. Why go after a short term gain over the better long term one? Any damage done to the fans opinion would be fixed as soon as the team started winning again. Winning cures all.
If the argument is about money, it still doesn't make sense business wise. What's more valuable, never ending mediocreness, or 5 bad years and then 10 years contending, and more if you continue to manage right? Seems to me that multiple playoff appearances and a few championships would probably make you a lot of money and increase the value of the franchise.
I think they made a mistake not taking that approach both in a business sense and competitive sense. Although, I'll admit. This could still be a very good rebuild once it all shakes out. It just could have been better, a lot better. It can't hurt to have more assets than you need.
The Fresh Prince
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Favors is like the guy that'd stay here for his career why would we trade him unless we are getting A Wggins/potential Kobe potential player?
Stifle Tower
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Agree, Hack.
But it never was in the nature of the Millers or Sloan or KOC to do a rebuild from the ground up. Look at what happened after Malone, Stockton and Hornacek left. No one complained about that rebuild. It was done primarily via free agency and the Jazz were still competitive. Utah had AK and Harping, signed Bell and Arroyo and surprised everyone by barely missing the playoffs. Signed Okur and Boozer, but lost AK and Carlos to injuries and won 26 games, enabling them to draft Deron. Barely missed the playoffs in Deron's rookie season, then won 51 games and went all the way to the WC Finals.
I think it was this type of rebuild KOC was attempting again. On paper, Millsap and Jefferson appeared to be decent replacements as starters for Boozer and Okur. That team was on pace for the playoffs until Deron and Sloan started to butt heads. Even after trading Deron, I think KOC looked at the players on the roster (Big Al, Paul, Gordon), the assets he got for Williams and thought he could make a few moves and still have a team that would compete for the playoffs. And he was right...he made some roster changes and the Jazz made the playoffs in 2012 and then barely missed in 2013. I just don't think the Millers were ready to have a truly mediocre team.
Most of us were ready to "tank" but you see a few already whining just 1 1/3 seasons in. IMO, this was the kind of response the Millers feared if it were to happen across a wide enough portion of the fan base. I personally know several fans who claimed to be fairly knowledgeable and loyal but have lost interest. And that hurts in not only ticket sales but also merchandising. It's a big business risk to plan for 3-4 years of no playoff appearances - and a couple of those years as being truly awful.
But it never was in the nature of the Millers or Sloan or KOC to do a rebuild from the ground up. Look at what happened after Malone, Stockton and Hornacek left. No one complained about that rebuild. It was done primarily via free agency and the Jazz were still competitive. Utah had AK and Harping, signed Bell and Arroyo and surprised everyone by barely missing the playoffs. Signed Okur and Boozer, but lost AK and Carlos to injuries and won 26 games, enabling them to draft Deron. Barely missed the playoffs in Deron's rookie season, then won 51 games and went all the way to the WC Finals.
I think it was this type of rebuild KOC was attempting again. On paper, Millsap and Jefferson appeared to be decent replacements as starters for Boozer and Okur. That team was on pace for the playoffs until Deron and Sloan started to butt heads. Even after trading Deron, I think KOC looked at the players on the roster (Big Al, Paul, Gordon), the assets he got for Williams and thought he could make a few moves and still have a team that would compete for the playoffs. And he was right...he made some roster changes and the Jazz made the playoffs in 2012 and then barely missed in 2013. I just don't think the Millers were ready to have a truly mediocre team.
Most of us were ready to "tank" but you see a few already whining just 1 1/3 seasons in. IMO, this was the kind of response the Millers feared if it were to happen across a wide enough portion of the fan base. I personally know several fans who claimed to be fairly knowledgeable and loyal but have lost interest. And that hurts in not only ticket sales but also merchandising. It's a big business risk to plan for 3-4 years of no playoff appearances - and a couple of those years as being truly awful.
You seem to be assuming there was a deal offered to trade Milsap & Jefferson for picks. How would that work under CBA? Jazz would have to take back salary and teams would be very unlikely to trade expiring contracts. Therefore the Warriors deal would not have happened. So your hypothetical scenario is very very unlikely to have ever been on the table. It is a nice dream, however.