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Did Melanie Trump copy Michelle Obama's speech?

Joe Bagadonuts said:
So why was the Cruz moment a brilliant move on Trump's part? Because it's going to amp up the ratings for Trump's speech tonight to huge numbers, and there's no way NBC (or any media) will be able to cut away in the middle. I'll bet 100% of Ivanka's speech and Donald's speech are broadcast with almost no opportunity for the talking heads to attempt to diminish their message midstream. This was already going to be his biggest moment, by far, and the events that have led up to it are going to make it even bigger. It's going to be fascinating to see what happens tonight.
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I guess we do differ here somewhat. I think his speech tonight was never going to be interrupted, by the networks or cable at least. Even a liberal bias isn't going there. I can't imagine it.

I did come to see last night's events as known to Trump in advance, at least as concerns what Cruz would not do, and making for great drama. If one says, yes, but why let Cruz do that to him, the answer is attention at the moment and TV ratings trump all. Any press is good press, and this is reality TV.

Trump married the reality TV model to our political nomination process. It's been a circus, and has been for a long time anyway. Trump simply brought it all to it's apex. The marriage of TV, in its "reality TV" model, to Presidential politics. We've been heading for this for awhile I believe. Now we may have to figure out how to not let it ever happen again.
 
Red said:
I guess we do differ here somewhat. I think his speech tonight was never going to be interrupted, by the networks or cable at least. Even a liberal bias isn't going there. I can't imagine it.

I did come to see last night's events as known to Trump in advance, at least as concerns what Cruz would not do, and making for great drama. If one says, yes, but why let Cruz do that to him, the answer is attention at the moment and TV ratings trump all. Any press is good press, and this is reality TV.

Trump married the reality TV model to our political nomination process. It's been a circus, and has been for a long time anyway. Trump simply brought it all to it's apex. The marriage of TV, in its "reality TV" model, to Presidential politics. We've been heading for this for awhile I believe. Now we may have to figure out how to not let it ever happen again.
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You misunderstood me. I never thought there was even a slight chance that the networks would cut away in the middle of Trump's speech. What I'm saying is that this speech is a tremendous opportunity to lay out his case for the presidency. He wants as many people tuned into it as possible. He can't do anything about what the talking heads say about his speech after it ends, but he can do everything about controlling the message that he's sending out during that speech. This is his biggest moment so far, by far.
 
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
 
One Brow said:
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
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Did either Donald or Melanie personally denied it?
 
moevillini said:
And didn't Donald insist Melania wrote the speech herself? Yet it seems pretty clear that she had little input into its content.
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Actually, one of Trump speechwriters describes Melania as having a lot of input. She (the speechwriter) gave Melania ideas and examples, but Melania assembled them herself.
 
One Brow said:
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
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I honestly disagree. It is not a scandal in any shape or form. It is one of the worst attack lines there are. Donald controlling the narrative once again. Here everyone (society in general) is arguing one way or the other over 20 some odd words that someone said before. What a pointless and worthless debate.

Let's go after him on his attacks on women, the disabled, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, pressure him on a plan to deport all the illegals like he wants that won't violate search and seizure laws of citizens and residents, how will he fix our trade deals...

So many worthy attack lines but he has arguing over a few irrelevant lines of an irrelevant speech.

Edit: I will say that he is a genius, damn near savant level, at manipulating people and the media. Truly impressive how naturally he does it.
 
Stoked said:
I honestly disagree. It is not a scandal in any shape or form. It is one of the worst attack lines there are. Donald controlling the narrative once again. Here everyone (society in general) is arguing one way or the other over 20 some odd words that someone said before. What a pointless and worthless debate.

Let's go after him on his attacks on women, the disabled, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, pressure him on a plan to deport all the illegals like he wants that won't violate search and seizure laws of citizens and residents, how will he fix our trade deals...

So many worthy attack lines but he has arguing over a few irrelevant lines of an irrelevant speech.

Edit: I will say that he is a genius, damn near savant level, at manipulating people and the media. Truly impressive how naturally he does it.
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Yeah, comparing the Melania speech to the email scandal is so bizarre. Even Hillary's most ardent supporters must know that argument does not make a bit of sense. It only highlights how trivial one is compared to the other.

Re: your edit, I read somewhere that Trump wants the media to criticize him because it's like throwing gasoline on an inferno. Pretty tough to deny that's what's happening. In the past when someone has offended the media they've gone into damage control. Trump confounds everyone by going on the attack instead. He's said dozens of things that would have ended every previous politician's career, yet the uproar always makes him stronger. The world of politics has been turned on its head.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
He's said dozens of things that would have ended every previous politician's career, yet the uproar always makes him stronger.
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Why? How come people like someone who says horrible things, gets called out for saying them, and then goes on the attack and says more horrible things?
What is the appeal there?
 
fishonjazz said:
Why? How come people like someone who says horrible things, gets called out for saying them, and then goes on the attack and says more horrible things?
What is the appeal there?
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This is what I do not understand. Republicans for some reason suddenly do not care about whether their candidate is religious, faithful to his wife, honest, kind, "Presidential," etc. This has all changed in the past four years. I've asked my mother why this stuff suddenly doesn't matter, and she acted like she had no idea what I was talking about because of course it's not a big deal. This from a woman who has been hyper critical of Michelle Obama's sleeveless attire (the hussy) who now suddenly doesn't care that the potential First Lady has nude photos on the internet. While I don't mind that she is expanding her horizons a bit, I cannot figure out how it has happened. She hasn't been caught up in social media and reality TV and all the other things that I think have changed society for good and evil. It's weird.
 
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