Dis-respect - Spida is taking notes (as usual).

[Ron Mexico]

Plenty to back it up. Conley’s defense was atrocious. And he put the rest of the defense at a disadvantage.

I would say that about many of the players in that series. He wasn't the worse and he also helped the second most to Mitchell on offense.

Easier statement is, who were the good defenders in the series?

Why was our team defense equally bad or worse when he wasn't on the court?

 

[NAOS]

I would say that about many of the players in that series. He wasn't the worse and he also helped the second most to Mitchell on offense.

Easier statement is, who were the good defenders in the series?

Why was our team defense equally bad or worse when he wasn't on the court?

More effort was given to hide Conley than anyone else. So, yeah. We were awful. He was putrid.

 

[Ron Mexico]

More effort was given to hide Conley than anyone else. So, yeah. We were awful. He was putrid.

Then they did a good job since the team played the same or better defense with him in the court and much better offense with him on the court. Which means the net result was he improved us the second most of any player in this series. Much bigger issues then him in this series. Although we still played pretty well.

Maybe you could argue he gets paid too much for what he gives us, we gave up too much to get him, or we could trade him for a better fit. But I don't see any evidence of your claim.

 

[NAOS]

Then they did a good job since the team played the same or better defense with him in the court and much better offense with him on the court. Which means the net result was he improved us the second most of any player in this series. Much bigger issues then him in this series. Although we still played pretty well.

Maybe you could argue he gets paid too much for what he gives us, we gave up too much to get him, or we could trade him for a better fit. But I don't see any evidence of your claim.

You’re still using the skewed stats. Cute.

 

[NAOS]

Also if the blowouts helped Conley's stats they should help the rest of the team. It's pretty fair to look at the team in the series and see which stats show who helped the most in that series.

So the stats are equally meaningless, or...?

 

[NAOS]

Then they did a good job since the team played the same or better defense with him in the court and much better offense with him on the court. Which means the net result was he improved us the second most of any player in this series. Much bigger issues then him in this series. Although we still played pretty well.

Maybe you could argue he gets paid too much for what he gives us, we gave up too much to get him, or we could trade him for a better fit. But I don't see any evidence of your claim.

The evidence is on tape. Go watch the games again.

 

[Ron Mexico]

So the stats are equally meaningless, or...?

No, they represent what happened in the series well. You have a narrative and are trying hard to justify it.

 

[LoPo]

He didn’t guard Murray a lot because he was the last guy on the roster Q wanted to see on him. And so the whole defense was shifted out of position, with DM and MC guarding significantly taller players and Royce or Joe shifted down to Murray. Disaster ensued, of course.

The stats for that series are all super skewed because of the two blowout games (and Conley played in the most gruesome one), so I don’t put much stock in them.

Conley had a good offensive series. But he was the rot at the heart of the rotten defense.

I agree. Conley's stats looked great, but his plus stats came primarily in games 3 and 4 when we destroyed Denver as a team. Most everybody's stats looked great in games 3 and 4.

If Games 5, 6, and 7, Conley didn't dominate on offense while his defense was a liability. Malone started Morris who was able to trouble Conley enough to make him mainly irrelevant.



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[NAOS]

No, they represent what happened in the series well. You have a narrative and are trying hard to justify it.

You also have a narrative. It starts with the absurd assumption that the game can be reduced to statistics. And, to make matters worse, the version of statistics you seem to be pushing is one that doesn’t seem to acknowledge what and outlier is even when an enormous one is starting it in the face.

Please gtfo with any presumption that you don’t also have a narrative here; or that I’m down the rabbit hole of some Hater thing. A narrative begins the moment you start using words + syntax.

 

[One Brow]

I agree. Conley's stats looked great, but his plus stats came primarily in games 3 and 4 when we destroyed Denver as a team. Most everybody's stats looked great in games 3 and 4.

If Games 5, 6, and 7, Conley didn't dominate on offense while his defense was a liability. Malone started Morris who was able to trouble Conley enough to make him mainly irrelevant.

So, you are making the argument that if you look up his BPM only in games 5-7, it will be significantly worse than Ingles/Royce/(someone else)? Is this strictly an "eye test" thing?

 

[One Brow]

You also have a narrative. It starts with the absurd assumption that the game can be reduced to statistics. And, to make matters worse, the version of statistics you seem to be pushing is one that doesn’t seem to acknowledge what and outlier is even when an enormous one is starting it in the face.

Please gtfo with any presumption that you don’t also have a narrative here; or that I’m down the rabbit hole of some Hater thing. A narrative begins the moment you start using words + syntax.

I agree the game can't be reduced to statistics, and I'm sure you agree it can't be reduced to an eye test either. So, what do we look at when we see (looking just at games 5 through 7), that Conley has positive statistics while failing your eye test?

 

[NAOS]

I agree the game can't be reduced to statistics, and I'm sure you agree it can't be reduced to an eye test either. So, what do we look at when we see (looking just at games 5 through 7), that Conley has positive statistics while failing your eye test?

I’ve been very clear about that. Right from the tip, the defense is contorted in a way that’s meant to hide Conley (take him off the opposing PG, who’s typically either the primary or secondary point-of-attack). This contortion shifts at least two players into matchups that are likely to create disadvantages for the whole defense.