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DL talks about Hayward's extension.

green said:
Why would Hayward choose Utah over Boston? There is only one reason: Money.

And even then, is the money that different? Utah can offer more dollars on the contract. BUT, in Boston, Gordon Hayward is a national star. In Utah, he pimps Bailey's Moving. In Boston, Hayward gets a shoe deal. In Boston, Hayward opens the season vs LeBron on TNT and plays on ABC Christmas Morning vs the Warriors. His face is everywhere. In a large market like Boston, Hayward is a marketer's dream.

Winning? Boston is better now and better set up for the long haul.

Now, back to the money thing. I wonder how much ESPN's financial troubles are going to affect players the next few years. If ESPN keeps losing subscribers, the next NBA deal will be much, much, much smaller. If the deal is a lot smaller, player contracts will fall and fall fast.

Now, the current deal ends in 2025 (I think). So, if Gordon re-ups this summer for five years, he will get another deal in 2022. If that's the case and ESPN holds on that long, then staying in Utah isn't as important, as he will get another big deal before the bubble pops.

BUT, if ESPN were to bankrupt out of their contracts, or renegotiate them (and currently ESPN is poised to start losing money in 2021) to a lower number, then Gordon's 2022 contract could be SIGNIFICANTLY smaller.

Then, if you are Gordon, what do you do? Do you max out with Utah, knowing that there is a chance that five years from now, your deal could be a fraction of what this deal is, or do you take a three year deal this summer, get your 30 million per year for three years, opt out in 2020 and get a max deal for 4-5 years at 35-40 million per year then?

It's a risk for sure.
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I think the jazz are better now and set up better for the future.
If you look at net rating (I think that's the stat, maybe point differential was it. think don't remember) jazz are better and have played the tougher schedule and have had more injuries.
Future? Jazz have rudy. Boston doesnt.
Hayward has a better role here where he gets to be the man, the go to guy, the alpha, yet still plays in a ball movement team oriented system where everything isn't totally on his shoulders.
In Boston he would play second fiddle to IT's ball dominance and his stats and spot in the limelight might take a hit.
He knows what he has here and things have been pretty good for him here. Likes his teammates and coaches, bought his home here and started his family here. Got a max contract from the jazz already. Team just keeps winning more and more each year.
And of course the jazz can pay him the most like you said.
The whole bailey's moving and storage jab will change now that he is an all star on a an up and coming playoff team. He will get better endorsements than he has now even if he stays in utah.
He will get better nationally televised games as his team is and gets better.
This is his team. He built it. Boston wouldn't be his team and he didn't build it.

A lot of your argument makes sense but to say money is the ONLY thing utah has to offer is untrue and kind of a dick thing to say about your supposed favorite team.
 
green said:
Why would Hayward choose Utah over Boston? There is only one reason: Money.

And even then, is the money that different? Utah can offer more dollars on the contract. BUT, in Boston, Gordon Hayward is a national star. In Utah, he pimps Bailey's Moving. In Boston, Hayward gets a shoe deal. In Boston, Hayward opens the season vs LeBron on TNT and plays on ABC Christmas Morning vs the Warriors. His face is everywhere. In a large market like Boston, Hayward is a marketer's dream.

Winning? Boston is better now and better set up for the long haul.

Now, back to the money thing. I wonder how much ESPN's financial troubles are going to affect players the next few years. If ESPN keeps losing subscribers, the next NBA deal will be much, much, much smaller. If the deal is a lot smaller, player contracts will fall and fall fast.

Now, the current deal ends in 2025 (I think). So, if Gordon re-ups this summer for five years, he will get another deal in 2022. If that's the case and ESPN holds on that long, then staying in Utah isn't as important, as he will get another big deal before the bubble pops.

BUT, if ESPN were to bankrupt out of their contracts, or renegotiate them (and currently ESPN is poised to start losing money in 2021) to a lower number, then Gordon's 2022 contract could be SIGNIFICANTLY smaller.

Then, if you are Gordon, what do you do? Do you max out with Utah, knowing that there is a chance that five years from now, your deal could be a fraction of what this deal is, or do you take a three year deal this summer, get your 30 million per year for three years, opt out in 2020 and get a max deal for 4-5 years at 35-40 million per year then?

It's a risk for sure.
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Besides the fact that there is more money here whether or not ESPN loses subscribers and such... it ain't like Boston is some hot bed of shoe deals and endorsements. I've seen maybe one IT commercial and his game is much more prone to blow up and get endorsements.

If Hayward goes to Boston he's anothe dude. Either win championships there or you are a disappointment... sit in Tom Brady and the Red Sox shadow. Basically he'd be al horford... in Utah he'd be a legend of sorts would have opportunities after basketball and he has a team that revolves around him not a ball dominant point guard.

Winning... IT is good but is a free agent. Gobert is locked up for four years plus we have other good young guys. We don't have brooklyns pick but those are no guarantee... sure things have busted. Look at Wiggins... not a bust but is not the guy everyone proclaimed him to be.

He may decide to leave but Boston is not far superior to what he'd be leaving... I'm not even sure it's superior at all.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Hayward goes to Boston he's anothe dude. Either win championships there or you are a disappointment... sit in Tom Brady and the Red Sox shadow. Basically he'd be al horford... in Utah he'd be a legend of sorts would have opportunities after basketball and he has a team that revolves around him not a ball dominant point guard.
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There is truth to this. I have several business associates that live in Boston that are big sports fans. I once asked them what the heirarchy of the professional teams in Boston is (which team/sport is the most beloved and followed). And surprisingly, I was told the Celtics are last among the 4 professional teams:
1. Patriots
2. Red Sox
3. Bruins
4. Celtics

This was very suprising considering that the Celtics have won more Championships than any of the other Boston professional sports teams (17 NBA Titles). So Hayward could go there, win a title and it's pretty much not that big a deal to their fans.
If Hayward were to win a title in Utah, he would probably be the most beloved sports player, scratch that...PERSON, in the history of the State with Brigham Young following a close second.
 
Another angle to consider. Is Hayward the kind of guy who enjoys doing sponsorship/endorsements? I don't know if he is. He doesn't strike me as somebody who has a BIG personality, ala LeBron, or Westbrook, or Lillard with his rapping, etc. To me he has more of a quiet/reserved personality. Seems like he just enjoys playing the game, then go home and be with his family, and his the game room and play his Warcraft and whatnot.


If he doesn't enjoy doing endorsements, the bright lights, etc, he might decide the best way for him to make money is to stay in Utah and do it through bigger contracts & cheaper living cost and do it that way.
 
Siro said:
Max contract. He's an MVP level offensive player.
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He may get max or near-max money, but whoever pays it will regret it. I watched Nate Robinson play in the D League and saw Isaiah's future. Nate is amazingly chiseled. He has worked his *** off on strength and conditioning. Granted, Nate is much older, so the analogy is not perfect.

Without ELITE explosiveness, Isaiah will be a liability. Most players lose a bit and can survive. At his size, it is problematic.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Another angle to consider. Is Hayward the kind of guy who enjoys doing sponsorship/endorsements? I don't know if he is. He doesn't strike me as somebody who has a BIG personality, ala LeBron, or Westbrook, or Lillard with his rapping, etc. To me he has more of a quiet/reserved personality. Seems like he just enjoys playing the game, then go home and be with his family, and his the game room and play his Warcraft and whatnot.


If he doesn't enjoy doing endorsements, the bright lights, etc, he might decide the best way for him to make money is to stay in Utah and do it through bigger contracts & cheaper living cost and do it that way.
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Had anybody considered the endorsement angle when it comes to bringing and keeping players in SLC?

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I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the latest Isaiah Thomas/Brad Stevens feud that's been going on.

You don't think Hayward hears about that and knows that?

You don't think he knows Thomas can leave one year after playing with him?

You think he doesn't know he would be playing second fiddle to Thomas?

You think he doesn't know that he became an all-star in Utah and not anywhere else?

You think he doesn't know that he's the man here?

You don't think he knows Utah can offer the most money and years in a contract?

You think he doesn't realize he has lived in Utah his entire professional career (7 years) and has built a family here?

Hayward isn't going anywhere.


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