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Do the Jazz have a "game plan?"

carolinajazz

carolinajazz

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I know this has probably been discussed and dissected in a couple of other threads....so just give me the "Readers Digest" version!

If the Jazz were planning to tank, I can understand why they would keep Corbin as coach. But if not....why didn't they fire Corbin and hire Hornacek ....a much smarter and experienced guy AND a popular Jazz player as coach, who's doing a terrific job for the Suns???

I guess what I'm asking is this: Tank with Corbin (NOT happening) or try and win with Hornacek (which he probably would be doing with us...just like he's doing with the Suns!)
....or am I missing something here all together?
 
carolinajazz said:
I know this has probably been discussed and dissected in a couple of other threads....so just give me the "Readers Digest" version!

If the Jazz were planning to tank, I can understand why they would keep Corbin as coach. But if not....why didn't they fire Corbin and hire Hornacek ....a much smarter and experienced guy AND a popular Jazz player as coach, who's doing a terrific job for the Suns???

I guess what I'm asking is this: Tank with Corbin (NOT happening) or try and win with Hornacek (which he probably would be doing with us...just like he's doing with the Suns!)
....or am I missing something here all together?
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Translation: why we keep blacky when we coulda had whitey.
 
Do you honestly think that a multi million dollar company doesn't have a game plan? Nothing they do is random or not thought out. I can assure you they have planned for all (for the most part, in practicality) contingencies. Which is why I'm not worried.
 
This is one of those times when their hands are tied by their own moral standards and consistent approach. The Jazz are a loyal organization, Corbin was being groomed, and the regime change came too fast to allow them to shift in another direction. This is the same thing that will keep them from firing Corbin mid-season. The Jazz just don't operate that way. They may part ways with Corbin, but they won't do it in any way that will show him any disrespect. It just isn't the way they do things. On the one hand, I can respect that, it shows they are a stand-up organization with a true sense of integrity and that they follow their moral code. On the other hand, it is a business and the product should be winning games, and by extension championships, so they also lose out on possible better moves. The Jazz are ok with that, and so it is what it is. I would have preferred Hornacek, I have wanted him as the coach since before Jerry bailed, but it just wasn't the direction they were headed at that time, and so it wasn't really even an option.
 
Vermin said:
Translation: why we keep blacky when we coulda had whitey.
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It's funny to me that people want to go strait for the race card.

It couldn't possibly be that some of us just think Jeff Hornacek is simply the better coach who runs a more exciting style of play and would be more willing to use his young, core players than Corbin does. But yeah. . . it's all about skin color.
 
Ellis269 said:
It's funny to me that people want to go strait for the race card.

It couldn't possibly be that some of us just think Jeff Hornacek is simply the better coach who runs a more exciting style of play and would be more willing to use his young, core players than Corbin does. But yeah. . . it's all about skin color.
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...frankly, in today's NBA, coaching has more to do with being a good "cheerleader" than actually coaching! (Unless it's Popovich...then it IS actually coaching!) I'd rather see the Jazz have Stephen A. Smith coach them than Corbin...at least the post game press conferences would be hilarious...and he couldn't possibly do any worse than Corbin!
 
Jeditiger said:
Do you honestly think that a multi million dollar company doesn't have a game plan? Nothing they do is random or not thought out. I can assure you they have planned for all (for the most part, in practicality) contingencies. Which is why I'm not worried.
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Ummm have you seen the EC this year?

Have you seen us post Duron and Sloan?

Im not sure a lot of franchises have plans. Just keep the fans coming in and turn a profit...
 
....I knew I was on to something when I brought up Hornecek and coaching! Check out this column today in the N.Y. Post!

"I know I’m starting to obsess over the Phoenix Suns, a superstar-less 27-18 team and consensus pick to be the worst in the NBA’s Western Conference, but Monday in Philadelphia, they beat the 76ers, 124-113, producing a box score that should be the envy of every team whose goal is to play like one.

Guard Goran Dragic scored 24 points and went 9-for-13 from the field. As the late Billy Mays would holler, “But wait, there’s more!” Dragic also had four rebounds and seven assists. How’s that for a night’s (team) work?

Itinerant swingman Gerald Green — he has played, mostly fecklessly, with the Celtics, Rockets, Mavericks, Nets and Pacers — scored 30. Nine Suns had at least two rebounds; nine had at least one assist. In 14:45, backup guard Ish Smith had five assists.

All under the continuing instructions of first-year coach Jeff Hornacek.

But the best team story the NBA can offer this season still makes little news and noise."

https://nypost.com/2014/01/30/so-far-bowl-coverage-nowhere-near-super/
 
I am waiting for the trade deadline to pass judgement. There is still time to right the ship, er tank. Also if the minor injury bug continues, that is exactly what I want. I feel dl will continue to move vets for future assets when the opportunity presents itself. That means without impacting long term salary. I feel this is all that can be done. I agree Corbin will not be canned mid season.

I posted in the tank thread that Burke, Favors and Jefferson are gtd tonight.
 
I think the Jazz game plan is pretty obvious.

* Grow the core 4 and give them legitimate NBA minutes and hope they blossom.
* Hope Trey becomes a legitimate Point Guard.
* Free up the vets money and go after free agents in the off season.
* Be aggressive in the draft and trade assets so you can move up.
* Get rid of Ty at the end of the year and bring in DL's guy.
 
Well, it all started with KOC. Now that some of you are starting to realize this you can thank me later. But, you can't I mean can't be a GM with out a plan and not make the necessary moves even the hard ones if you are going to be a GM of a PROFESSIONAL level team. That was KOC problem was he had no direction he did thing without any plan in place. So, we have moved on and had an awaking. DL came in and he has shaken some stuff up. But, right now he is falling right back not having a plan. Because if we are going to tank and get a high pick he should have moved Williams and Jefferson yesterday. If not we need some more talented players and we should have moved Williams and Jefferson yesterday. Btw his plan should not be copy the San Antonio Spurs because they were just another team until they got Tim Duncan and unless he is going to give the ultimate command of tanking we are not going to even see a player the likes of Tim in Utah.
 
carolinajazz said:
I know this has probably been discussed and dissected in a couple of other threads....so just give me the "Readers Digest" version!

If the Jazz were planning to tank, I can understand why they would keep Corbin as coach. But if not....why didn't they fire Corbin and hire Hornacek ....a much smarter and experienced guy AND a popular Jazz player as coach, who's doing a terrific job for the Suns???

I guess what I'm asking is this: Tank with Corbin (NOT happening) or try and win with Hornacek (which he probably would be doing with us...just like he's doing with the Suns!)
....or am I missing something here all together?
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The Jazz' plan was to miss the playoffs and get a good draft pick. With the bench Lindsey brought in, I think that's pretty evident. But I doubt the Jazz FO ever expected to be in the mix for a top-5 pick. In fact, if we were, that would mean some of our core players were busts. Corbin has been given the rope with which to either be successful or hang himself. IMO, the Jazz are actually under projected wins, largely due to Burke's injury. I expected them to be around 30 by the end of the season, which would have likely put them out of the top-10, but still in range for a solid draft pick.

I also don't think Lindsey was counting on getting a starter out of the draft. There is sufficient money to go out and grab a very good FA - or use salary space to trade for one. If Utah gets a starter, fine. If not, Jazz will add up to 3-4 decent players to shore up their bench, counting the two #1's, Neto and possibly a high second-rounder. That's a lot of youth and I fully expect trades to happen. Whether Burks and Kanter start or not, they can still get around 30 mins/per.

Count Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Burke as our current core. Add in the two #1 picks plus Neto and Gobert. That's 9 already (not including Evans). Then go out and grab a good FA. There's the team going forward, unless upgrades can be had via trades. Pretty solid plan, IMO.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
Well, it all started with KOC. Now that some of you are starting to realize this you can thank me later. But, you can't I mean can't be a GM with out a plan and not make the necessary moves even the hard ones if you are going to be a GM of a PROFESSIONAL level team. That was KOC problem was he had no direction he did thing without any plan in place. So, we have moved on and had an awaking. DL came in and he has shaken some stuff up. But, right now he is falling right back not having a plan. Because if we are going to tank and get a high pick he should have moved Williams and Jefferson yesterday. If not we need some more talented players and we should have moved Williams and Jefferson yesterday. Btw his plan should not be copy the San Antonio Spurs because they were just another team until they got Tim Duncan and unless he is going to give the ultimate command of tanking we are not going to even see a player the likes of Tim in Utah.
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KOC's directive was to keep the team competitive and in the playoffs. If you ask me, he did a helluva job after Stockton and Malone left. Got Utah to the WC FInals, but saw that due to injuries, attitudes and defensive limitations that the team built around Boozer, AK, Okur and Deron had to be revamped. So, while trying to keep Deron happy and stay in the playoffs, he took a risk on Big Al. Then Sloan quits, Deron won't commit to stay and the big trade happens.

Fast forward to Lindsey who inherits a team caught between two philosophies: should Utah keep key veterans and vie for a playoff spot or should they rebuild? Personally, I don't believe that answer was settled until last summer, when Utah ended negotiations with Millsap and caught Carroll by surprise by not offering a contract.

Lindsey's plan is unfolding on schedule. Please, tell me what a viable deal for Jefferson or Williams would be? Traded salaries have to fit within league rules. And another team has to WANT those players. Look at the other thread and you'll see the market is very narrow for those two because of their high salaries. Even WITHOUT RJ and MW, Utah is not as bad as Milwaukee, Orlando, Boston, etc. So, Utah's schedule got a bit easier, Kanter and Burke are playing great and Hayward has been en fuego. Are we supposed to be upset that our young players are TOO good?

Personally, I'm thrilled that the core-5 all look like "keepers." At worst, IF the Jazz have redundancies at some point, any of those 5 can be valuable trade assets. OK, so we don't get Parker or Wiggins. Before Burke's injury none of us thought that was a remote possibility anyway. So Utah still adds a guy like Vonleh or Gordon. And then another solid player with GS' pick. Now imagine, if instead of tieing up salary on a player that gets dumped to Utah in exchange for a late 1st round pick, Lindsey is able to sign a very good veteran for around $8M. And I'm not talking about a player who is overpaid like Williams or Jefferson. I'm talking about veterans who will be underpaid becuase many teams will be up against the cap or luxury tax. That's not a bad group headed into next season and beyond.
 
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