Do we trust our organizational culture?

[gregbroncs]

You quoted the wrong person. bigmike said he couldn't remember anyone. And add Trey Lyles to the ******* list. Heaven forbid Quin asked him to play defense and had a 3hr practice. Amnesty International needs to look into that. It's clearly an abusive environment the Jazz have.

I quoted the post you quoted of mine. Sorry you weren't the person who didn't remember. But I did just comment on his post giving him a reminder.

You're correct there were reasons they were not happy. But they still didn't leave without saying something as he indicated.

 

[Soothsayer]

Ok, then cite cultural differences as Utah just doesn't have a huge african-american population. And the Mormon stigma is HUGE. There's a reason Jazz have been successful with foreign players, but not so much with young african-americans. Donovan is an exception. But you also have to look at the family and environment he came from. It was upper middle-class. He was one of a few african-americans in his private school. SLC is culture shock for a lot of athletes.

I think you are overthinking it. In the past, there were a few cities with an advantage in attracting free agents because playing in bigger markets could offer better money making potential though endorsements, etc. Smaller market cities like SLC were less likely to attract big free agents. (Have there been coveted players in the past who have chosen other small market teams specifically because of cultural reasons?)

Only very recently (because of Social media, etc.), market size has become less important for a player’s marketability, which is why guys like PG might resign with OKC.

I don’t believe SLC has any inherent disadvantage versus other small markets. All else equal, I think many free agents would choose SLC over most small market cities. Many high profile free agents live in predominantly white neighborhoods, and the privacy and natural beauty would be a selling point.

Most importantly, though, free agents who are looking at smaller markets are looking at potential for success on the basketball court rather than cultural differences. If Donovan continues to improve and can offer a prized free agent a chance at being an important piece on a great team, that will carry more weight than any cultural differences.

 

[Pastramiking]

OKC does 2 things better than fellow small market team the Jazz:

1) OKC takes big swings so their players feel like there is always the possibility of getting an impact player. Even if Carmelo deal didn’t work, that was Big swing that showed PG and Russ that they are willing to try and make a win now splash.
2) Utah is possibly the worst team in the NBA at marketing their players. OKC turned Durant and Westbrook into household names and national pitchmen. Even Karl Malone never reached the national star status he deserved. If Utah invested more in PR for their players, I think Utah would have a better shot at signing “name” free agents.

 

[tleikheen]

but the truth is, the Jazz have improved EVERY year under the Quin/Lindsey reign.

BS ,they've improved ever since Gobert fell into their lap, fact is when Rudy was injured we all saw what kind of team the Jazz were without Gobert.Gobert would make every coach in the NBA look smart and good.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Dumb thread from wo to go

 

[MTS]

BS ,they've improved ever since Gobert fell into their lap

lol, "fell into their lap". It's impressive, the extent you'll go to avoid giving DL credit for anything.

fact is when Rudy was injured we all saw what kind of team the Jazz were without Gobert.Gobert would make every coach in the NBA look smart and good.

Team struggles without its best player. News at 11.

 

[JimLes]

I think pg is an outlier.

The only thing that needed to be said in this thread.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Interesting topic. Personally, I would feel more comfortable with risking long-term assets on a potential short-term rental once the team is a little more established (WCF) as there is a greater league-wide stigma surrounding Utah as a FA destination imo. OKC has had more recent success & Westbrook is a bigger star than Mitchell (currently).

A big reason I believe we would be better off letting the core develop/grow together for an additional year or 2 is my trust in the team culture. This past season has convinced me that this team may not necessarily need a 3rd star to contend (although actually winning a championship might be a different story) due to our system/style of play/DM & Gobert/etc.

Our core is already competitive & only going to improve as LBJ/GSW/etc continue to age. They're also young enough that imo it would make the most sense to focus on maintaining long-term flexibility unless the perfect situation happens to present itself.

This team (& DM's pull) still needs another year or 2 to grow before taking this type of gamble imo. With 2 young stars, a solid collection of young complimentary pieces, & time on his side, DL can afford to sit back & get a better read on the roster/league before attempting to add that final piece to push this team into contention.

I think we can quit with the GSW aging nonsense for a few years. Steph and KD are only 30 and probably have 6 elite seasons left. The other two are 28. Do the math.

 

[fishonjazz]

I quoted the post you quoted of mine. Sorry you weren't the person who didn't remember. But I did just comment on his post giving him a reminder.

You're correct there were reasons they were not happy. But they still didn't leave without saying something as he indicated.

I don’t think Lyles or kanter left. I think they got traded.

 

[Ellipse]

OKC does 2 things better than fellow small market team the Jazz:

1) OKC takes big swings so their players feel like there is always the possibility of getting an impact player. Even if Carmelo deal didn’t work, that was Big swing that showed PG and Russ that they are willing to try and make a win now splash.
2) Utah is possibly the worst team in the NBA at marketing their players. OKC turned Durant and Westbrook into household names and national pitchmen. Even Karl Malone never reached the national star status he deserved. If Utah invested more in PR for their players, I think Utah would have a better shot at signing “name” free agents.

Kind of odd that such a smart team would let a future MVP go; I guess that was a "big swing" that didn't pan out.

 

[karl malone]

I think we can quit with the GSW aging nonsense for a few years.

That is what I was doing by suggesting we should allow for a few additional years of internal growth before taking the risk on an expiring star. Rather than now, while GSW are still in their prime.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

That is what I was doing by suggesting we should allow for a few additional years of internal growth before taking the risk on an expiring star. Rather than now, while GSW are still in their prime.

I should have been clearer. I was agreeing with your post.