I thought Jake Heaps would be a savior for BYU and be one of the best QB's the school has ever had.
I was wrong.
Happy?
Do you BYU guys stop.....EVER
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I thought Jake Heaps would be a savior for BYU and be one of the best QB's the school has ever had.
I was wrong.
Happy?
Hartsock
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That seems like wishful thinking
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Actually i was never trying to get anything from you. I was just talking to flavors flave about his dumb statement. Alot of what you have said i actually agree with.
Im a byu fan but i dont wear blue goggles. In recent history utah has had the better seasons, more national attention and sent more and better players to the nfl. I wasn't arguing any of that type of stuff.
Flavors flave said if you go to byu then you dont go to the nfl. That is all i was arguing.
Good job trying to get me to argue with you though.
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I'm a BYU fan and even I will admit that was beyond weak.
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Now i am a byu fan and i admit that right now utah is a better program in a better situation. In the last decade utah has passed byu up.
However utah fans seem like they think that the utes are on the level of usc, alabama, florida, texas, oklahoma, ohio state, notre dame, michigan ect ect. And they act like byu are down at the bottom with new mexico, unlv, wyoming etc etc.
I hear alot about byu's crappy schedule. I think utahs schedule IS better not by as much as ute fan seem to believe.
BYU schedule next year: Notre dame, boise state, georgia tech, utah, washington state, oregon state, utah state, hawaii, weber state, idaho, san jose state, new mexico state.
I see notre dame as one of the most recognizable and top programs in the country, boise state one of the best teams in the last decade with bcs wins and very high rankings, then some average bcs schools (utah, georgia tech, oregan state, washington state) and then a buch of crap.
Utah schedule next year: USC, arizona state, washington, arizona, byu, ucla, oregon state, cal, colorado, washington state, utah state, northern colorado.
I see USC as one of the most recognizable and top programs in the country, then some average bcs schools(arizona state, washington, arizona, ucla, oregon state, cal, washington state), an average independent (byu), and a bunch of crap.
So byu has 2 top level schools to play, Utah has one. Byu has 4 average teams, Utah has 7. byu has 6 crappy teams, utah has 3.
So ya utah has the better schedule but not ALOT better. The utes should end up with a record around 10-3 and byu should finish around 10-2.
But if byu were to finish 11-1 and utah finish 8-5 then ute fans would just say it because of thier difficult schedule.
However utah fans seem like they think that the utes are on the level of usc, alabama, florida, texas, oklahoma, ohio state, notre dame, michigan ect ect. And they act like byu are down at the bottom with new mexico, unlv, wyoming etc etc.
I hear alot about byu's crappy schedule. I think utahs schedule IS better not by as much as ute fan seem to believe.
BYU schedule next year: Notre dame, boise state, georgia tech, utah, washington state, oregon state, utah state, hawaii, weber state, idaho, san jose state, new mexico state.
I see notre dame as one of the most recognizable and top programs in the country, boise state one of the best teams in the last decade with bcs wins and very high rankings, then some average bcs schools (utah, georgia tech, oregan state, washington state) and then a buch of crap.
Utah schedule next year: USC, arizona state, washington, arizona, byu, ucla, oregon state, cal, colorado, washington state, utah state, northern colorado.
I see USC as one of the most recognizable and top programs in the country, then some average bcs schools(arizona state, washington, arizona, ucla, oregon state, cal, washington state), an average independent (byu), and a bunch of crap.
So byu has 2 top level schools to play, Utah has one. Byu has 4 average teams, Utah has 7. byu has 6 crappy teams, utah has 3.
So ya utah has the better schedule but not ALOT better. The utes should end up with a record around 10-3 and byu should finish around 10-2.
But if byu were to finish 11-1 and utah finish 8-5 then ute fans would just say it because of thier difficult schedule.
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Reality is that utah is on about the level of a 3rd or 4th place team in a bcs conference, and Byu is about the level of a 5th or 6th place team in a bcs conference.
Not a very big difference in the 2 teams so no one should be talking alot of trash really.
Im 2004 and 2008 the utes had plenty of reason to talk trash. In 2001? (luke staley year) and the 80's byu had plenty of reason to talk trash. But right now neither team is that great so everyone should just chill out and keep the trash talking to a minumum.
Not a very big difference in the 2 teams so no one should be talking alot of trash really.
Im 2004 and 2008 the utes had plenty of reason to talk trash. In 2001? (luke staley year) and the 80's byu had plenty of reason to talk trash. But right now neither team is that great so everyone should just chill out and keep the trash talking to a minumum.
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Steve Young is not there anymore. It's okay to let it go Kenny.
Translation: "I'm not really that big of a fan. In fact, I don't have the balls to talk trash until we actually win the game, at which point, it's on like Donkey Kong. I learned from Salty years and years ago that this is the easiest AND safest route to take."
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So what are the hot spots to hit in SLC for some post game celebrations this year? I'm going to need them twice.
And what's this talk about BYU fading? Bronco lacks the huge celebratory years, but their winning pct. is still solid. They haven't gone anywhere. I'd dump Bronco tomorrow if I were the AD because I do think BYU can be a lot better, but them fading is just not reality.
And what's this talk about BYU fading? Bronco lacks the huge celebratory years, but their winning pct. is still solid. They haven't gone anywhere. I'd dump Bronco tomorrow if I were the AD because I do think BYU can be a lot better, but them fading is just not reality.
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I'm sure that has been softened by the recent trip to the NFC championship game & the tens of millions of cash he has made so far.
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Props for owning up to that. Many BYU fans in here have the damndest time doing what you just did.
I don't know what Utah fans you're hanging around, but I don't think that's the case. Sure, you'll get your over the top homers in every fan base, but I don't think most Ute fans see Utah in the same light as USC, Alabama, Florida, etc. Sure, the Sugar Bowl win over Alabama was nice, but it doesn't make Utah a better program. Bama's multiple national titles since that game is evidence enough. Truth is, Utah has a million miles to go in terms of spending, recruiting, and everything else that would go into making them as big as somebody like USC or Alabama.
Obviously, BYU is not as bad as those programs. But with that being said, I think they are entering a very crucial period in which I think they are in serious danger of slipping into that category. The blue kool-aid honks can tout independence all they want but it's not a good thing in regards to BYU becoming more prominent on a national level. IMO if BYU doesn't find their way into a power conference, you will see a gradual slip into football pergatory. As of right now, BYU has no choice but to play an awful November schedule and a bigger problem still exists: There's no solution in sight for solving the November scheduling woes. Teams from bigger conferences don't want to break away from conference scheduling to accomodate BYU. Aside from finding a home in a conference, how does BYU find a way to fix this problem?
Actually, I'm rather impressed by the quality of BYU's schedule for 2012. The problem is, they're forced to play the best teams on their schedule during the early to mid part of the season. I've said it before: That's too much to ask of any program. A front heavy schedule is going to cause them to lose more games than they should, which isn't an option if you're trying to be relevant and independent at the same time. I could easily see BYU losing 4 or 5 games this year. How long are fans going to put up with 8 win seasons and yearly trips to a low level bowl? How long are BYU fans supposed to shell out cash for 8:30 Thursday night games against WAC schools in mid November? But hey, they're on ESPN 2 right? That must be progress.
As a BYU fan, you admitted that Utah has been trending up recently while BYU has tailed off during that same time. An honest question I'd like to ask you, or any other BYU fan that is serious about having a civil discussion on the topic: What is going on in the here and now that is going to make the future any different? Utah's pockets are only getting deeper, their new facilities are only going to improve upon their old ones and they're already holding their own in recruiting considering the limited budget they've had to work with coming from the MWC. While resources will never be a problem for BYU, they are a church owned school who isn't very comfortable making football one of their top priorities and as of right now, they're having trouble merging into a bigger conference. Unless something drastic in this equation changes, the gap is only going to get bigger.
Props for owning up to that. Many BYU fans in here have the damndest time doing what you just did.
I don't know what Utah fans you're hanging around, but I don't think that's the case. Sure, you'll get your over the top homers in every fan base, but I don't think most Ute fans see Utah in the same light as USC, Alabama, Florida, etc. Sure, the Sugar Bowl win over Alabama was nice, but it doesn't make Utah a better program. Bama's multiple national titles since that game is evidence enough. Truth is, Utah has a million miles to go in terms of spending, recruiting, and everything else that would go into making them as big as somebody like USC or Alabama.
Obviously, BYU is not as bad as those programs. But with that being said, I think they are entering a very crucial period in which I think they are in serious danger of slipping into that category. The blue kool-aid honks can tout independence all they want but it's not a good thing in regards to BYU becoming more prominent on a national level. IMO if BYU doesn't find their way into a power conference, you will see a gradual slip into football pergatory. As of right now, BYU has no choice but to play an awful November schedule and a bigger problem still exists: There's no solution in sight for solving the November scheduling woes. Teams from bigger conferences don't want to break away from conference scheduling to accomodate BYU. Aside from finding a home in a conference, how does BYU find a way to fix this problem?
Actually, I'm rather impressed by the quality of BYU's schedule for 2012. The problem is, they're forced to play the best teams on their schedule during the early to mid part of the season. I've said it before: That's too much to ask of any program. A front heavy schedule is going to cause them to lose more games than they should, which isn't an option if you're trying to be relevant and independent at the same time. I could easily see BYU losing 4 or 5 games this year. How long are fans going to put up with 8 win seasons and yearly trips to a low level bowl? How long are BYU fans supposed to shell out cash for 8:30 Thursday night games against WAC schools in mid November? But hey, they're on ESPN 2 right? That must be progress.
As a BYU fan, you admitted that Utah has been trending up recently while BYU has tailed off during that same time. An honest question I'd like to ask you, or any other BYU fan that is serious about having a civil discussion on the topic: What is going on in the here and now that is going to make the future any different? Utah's pockets are only getting deeper, their new facilities are only going to improve upon their old ones and they're already holding their own in recruiting considering the limited budget they've had to work with coming from the MWC. While resources will never be a problem for BYU, they are a church owned school who isn't very comfortable making football one of their top priorities and as of right now, they're having trouble merging into a bigger conference. Unless something drastic in this equation changes, the gap is only going to get bigger.
Favors Flave
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No its more me being superstitious. When I talked no trash in '08 the team won a BCS bowl game. I talked trash last year and they went 8-5. I'm not gonna speculate what their record is, but USC at home will be extremely tough, @Washington and @ASU will be tough games and the Cal game will be another close game. Those are the most difficult games on the schedule