Do you use a laptop fairly regularly?

[SaltyDawg]

LOL Salty, Phone, schmone - it's a war of words that nobody's going to win! At any rate, I picture the entire system, not just the processing unit.

Well if you had stated this in my original prediction thread we could have addressed it then. As I stated, in my first post in that thread, the one where I made the actual prediction that is being mocked by wes matthews, I posted a video of a Motorola Atrix phone docked with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor and went on to explain that accessories like that were one of the main reasons why current PCs would no longer be used by the average home user.

Let me ask you this, do you consider a laptop that is docked to still be a laptop?

It's still a phone, no matter how you happen to be using it at the moment. You may be using it as a desktop computer, but it's still a phone.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Hey moron, I never said they would be obsolete for business or work use. I said the average HOME user would move on to phones instead, and specified that tablets are considered smartphones since they have the same form factor and same OS. I was also clear that this would really start to take shape after Windows 8 was released (which runs on phones/tablets).

If you aren't just out to make yourself look like an idiot, why don't you compare the pc sales of today to the projections you idiots kept posting as your main argument? Why don't you mention that MS just had their first EVER quarter where they lost money? Why don't you mention that in 2011 Apple sold more iOS devices than they have sold Macs in the entire history of their company?

Despite your futile attempts to make me look foolish, all signs point to me being correct.

By the way, how is that BlackBerry working out for you? I believe I said some things about that a couple years ago too.

https://www.lenovo.com/articles/us/...ake-off-in-second-half-of-2012-idc-says-.html

 

[SaltyDawg]

https://www.lenovo.com/articles/us/...ake-off-in-second-half-of-2012-idc-says-.html

Did you read that article? lol, if you did then you must not have understood what you read.

Your article stated that PC sales have been lower than expected (gee, who predicted that one?) and are expected to rise after Windows 8 is released (which runs on phones and tablets) and with ultrabook sales (which it refers to as a laptop/tablet hybrid).

So they are basically saying if it runs Windows it's a PC, regardless of its form factor and architecture. But the reality is this new version of Windows that they are expecting to sell will be running on more tablets and phones than traditional desktops and laptops. So they will apparently be referring to them as PCs due to the fact they are running Windows (and this isn't the Windows you have gotten used to, it's totally different, it looks and runs exactly like the current Windows Phone OS).

You may recall me saying countless times that Windows 8 will run on ARM architecture. Now hopefully you can start to understand what that means for the industry.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Did you read that article? lol, if you did then you must not have understood what you read.

Your article stated that PC sales have been lower than expected (gee, who predicted that one?) and are expected to rise after Windows 8 is released (which runs on phones and tablets) and with ultrabook sales (which it refers to as a laptop/tablet hybrid).

So they are basically saying if it runs Windows it's a PC, regardless of it's form factor and architecture. But the reality is this new version of Windows that they are expecting to sell will be running on more tablets and phones than traditional desktops and laptops. So they will apparently be referring to them as PCs due to the fact they are running Windows.

You may recall me saying countless times that Windows 8 will run on ARM architecture. Now hopefully you can start to understand what that means for the industry.

So you admit that PC and laptop sales are to rise and thus not be obsolete? Good to know. Just checking.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Hey moron, I never said they would be obsolete for business or work use. I said the average HOME user would move on to phones instead, and specified that tablets are considered smartphones since they have the same form factor and same OS. I was also clear that this would really start to take shape after Windows 8 was released (which runs on phones/tablets.

Well the average home user, here, according to this vote, if you still go back and read what they wrote, said, in a landslide vote, that they use the laptop predominantly. Moron. But nice try. I mean, I'm sure Windows 8's the ****ing end game and I'm screwed because that makes sense. People aren't simply using laptops and won't continue to because they're simply much more comfortable to work on or anything? I mean, MS has the market cornered and laptops are ****ed.

If you aren't just out to make yourself look like an idiot, why don't you compare the pc sales of today to the projections you idiots kept posting as your main argument? Why don't you mention that MS just had their first EVER quarter where they lost money? Why don't you mention that in 2011 Apple sold more iOS devices than they have sold Macs in the entire history of their company?

Let me guess. Because laptops are on their way out? Right, I'm sure that's the reason why. Or maybe it could have something to do with the fact that many people were now switching over to iPhone's and such. Or maybe I finally got one because Verizon now offered them. Or maybe because many people already owned a laptop and had for years so there was no need to upgrade. How the hell should I know? What I do know though is that people, home users to be more specific, according to this poll, and everyone I pretty much know, uses a laptop as their main technological tool.

Despite your futile attempts to make me look foolish, all signs point to me being correct.

By the way, how is that BlackBerry working out for you? I believe I said some things about that a couple years ago too.

All signs? Despite the hot trend of iPads and iPhones for everyone and their mother, Apple still saw a 2% INCREASE in year over year sales for laptops from 2010 to 2011, which is lower than usual but still...brace yourself...AN INCREASE. And that's despite the insanity of iPhones and moreso, iPads, over those 12 months. But yeah, those laptops sure are fading into Bolivian. I mean, despite some obvious cannibalization that's natural in any form of consumer products, people were still purchasing them more than the year prior. And using them at home way more than any other device. But yeah, you sure hit the nail on the head. Moron.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So you admit that PC and laptop sales are to rise and thus not be obsolete? Good to know. Just checking.

No, I admit that you didn't understand what you were reading though, specifically when it was citing sales of tablet hybrids as PCs.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Well the average home user, here, according to this vote, if you still go back and read what they wrote, said, in a landslide vote, that they use the laptop predominantly. Moron. But nice try. I mean, I'm sure Windows 8's the ****ing end game and I'm screwed because that makes sense. People aren't simply using laptops and won't continue to because they're simply much more comfortable to work on or anything? I mean, MS has the market cornered and laptops are ****ed.

So what? We're still 2 or 3 years away from my predicted time frame when this would happen. But nice try, moron.

Let me guess. Because laptops are on their way out? Right, I'm sure that's the reason why. Or maybe it could have something to do with the fact that many people were now switching over to iPhone's and such. Or maybe I finally got one because Verizon now offered them. Or maybe because many people already owned a laptop and had for years so there was no need to upgrade. How the hell should I know? What I do know though is that people, home users to be more specific, according to this poll, and everyone I pretty much know, uses a laptop as their main technological tool.

Yes, PC sales dropped because laptops ARE on the way out. You want proof?
https://www.engadget.com/2011/01/14/idc-and-gartner-us-pc-sales-drop-as-tablets-shake-things-up/
I know, I know, you don't want to see that. Don't let the facts get in the way of your little "hey everyone watch me try to mock Salty, please accept me" thread. I mean, you have a poll of 20 something users on jazzfanz for crying out loud, that trumps everything!

All signs? Despite the hot trend of iPads and iPhones for everyone and their mother, Apple still saw a 2% INCREASE in year over year sales for laptops from 2010 to 2011, which is lower than usual but still...brace yourself...AN INCREASE. And that's despite the insanity of iPhones and moreso, iPads, over those 12 months. But yeah, those laptops sure are fading into Bolivian. I mean, despite some obvious cannibalization that's natural in any form of consumer products, people were still purchasing them more than the year prior. And using them at home way more than any other device. But yeah, you sure hit the nail on the head. Moron.

Mac sales were slightly up (but not as much as normal) while PC sales were drastically DOWN:
https://www.appleinsider.com/articl...e_as_pc_sales_drop_20_in_uk_12_in_france.html
https://www.stockbloghub.com/2011/04/14/pc-pc-computer-sales-drop-in-2011-first-quarter/71580
So while Mac sales were slightly up, overall computer sales were way down. So no, people were not buying computers more than the previous year and it was not an increase. One particular name brand had a slight increase over their own sales the previous year, but the industry as a whole saw a huge decrease.


EDIT:
I just wanted to add, the main argument used against me when I made the prediction was when loggrad posted the Gartner info which predicted the pc market would continue to grow. I was mocked and laughed at when I predicted that Gartner would be proven wrong in time. Well now that they have been proven wrong and so far all of my predictions are looking better and better, I would think someone like yourself would shut up and listen when I send some wisdom your way.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

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Your such a blowhard it's sad. Without taking the time to even click on your links (I just don't feel like it because I'm about to put MsSerp through a wall), I'll take your word for it. That does not mean laptops have become obsolete you re-re. Or that they'll become obsolete. It means sales are down and that other products which are currently hot are the bigger sellers. I mean, car sales were down drastically in 2009. A surefire sign that cars were going to become obsolete, right? But wait! Guess what! Not only did car sales shockingly go up in the subsequent years...people drove those cars!!! They didn't become obsolete!!!!!

But for ****s and giggs, let's say laptop sales do go down and continue to go down a bit for years to come. That doesn't mean they're obsolete. It means people feel a lot more comfortable buying a $200 iPhone or a $500 iPad every other year or so rather than a $1,200 laptop when the one they have is just fine.

 

[SaltyDawg]

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Your such a blowhard it's sad. Without taking the time to even click on your links (I just don't feel like it because I'm about to put MsSerp through a wall), I'll take your word for it. That does not mean laptops have become obsolete you re-re. Or that they'll become obsolete. It means sales are down and that other products which are currently hot are the bigger sellers. I mean, car sales were down drastically in 2009. A surefire sign that cars were going to become obsolete, right? But wait! Guess what! Not only did car sales shockingly go up in the subsequent years...people drove those cars!!! They didn't become obsolete!!!!!

But for ****s and giggs, let's say laptop sales do go down and continue to go down a bit for years to come. That doesn't mean they're obsolete. It means people feel a lot more comfortable buying a $200 iPhone or a $500 iPad every other year or so rather than a $1,200 laptop when the one they have is just fine.

So you make a thread to prove that in 2 or 3 years laptops and desktops will still be more relevant than tablets and smartphones. And you base the crux of your argument on the fact that out of 20 or so current Jazzfanz posters, most of them still use their laptop regularly. I point out that all of the industry wide numbers show a sharp decline, with the next big thing in computers being the upcoming Windows 8 (which runs on tablets and phones). And now you are talking about how the here and now doesn't mean much, as if that was my argument?
lol

My argument is that the $200 phone/tablet just about everyone will have in 2 or 3 years will have all of the functionality of the computers on the market (plus more), so they will stop buying/using the computers. Yes, they will still have docks to get keyboard/mouse/monitor/external drives/etc. And yes, companies like Acer may even start to include tablet sales as their PC sales, and people like Moe may even refer to their tablet as their PC since they have a keyboard and monitor for it. But it doesn't change the fact that the HP laptop you use today will be pretty much obsolete in a couple years.

 

[Bronco70]

I had some trouble getting to sleep last night.

I wish I had thought of coming to this thread...

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

So you make a thread to prove that in 2 or 3 years laptops and desktops will still be more relevant than tablets and smartphones. And you base the crux of your argument on the fact that out of 20 or so current Jazzfanz posters, most of them still use their laptop regularly. I point out that all of the industry wide numbers show a sharp decline, with the next big thing in computers being the upcoming Windows 8 (which runs on tablets and phones). And now you are talking about how the here and now doesn't mean much, as if that was my argument?
lol

My argument is that the $200 phone/tablet just about everyone will have in 2 or 3 years will have all of the functionality of the computers on the market (plus more), so they will stop buying/using the computers. Yes, they will still have docks to get keyboard/mouse/monitor/external drives/etc. And yes, companies like Acer may even start to include tablet sales as their PC sales, and people like Moe may even refer to their tablet as their PC since they have a keyboard and monitor for it. But it doesn't change the fact that the HP laptop you use today will be pretty much obsolete in a couple years.

You really don't get it. I never made "a thread to prove that in 2 or 3 years laptops and desktops will still be more relevant than tablets and smartphones." I made a thread to show that laptops still are relevant and that it's obvious to everyone but you and other tech geeks that they will be relevant in not only 2.5 more years but far beyond that. You can't get over the fact that the majority of people don't want to strain their eyes on their iPhone to use it for purposes such as internet when they have their laptop at home as well. Or use their iPad for the same when it doesn't fit nearly as comfortably in your lap and body as, wait, a laptop. You can't fathom that people have no ****ing interest in getting their iPhone or other iOS device out, hooking it up to some wire, and then hooking that wire up to some monitor. No one wants to do work at home. They want to grab their laptop and log on. Not fumble all over the place and strain to read. I'm sure the 6:1 ratio here though is just some anomaly. Moron.

 

[SaltyDawg]

You really don't get it. I never made "a thread to prove that in 2 or 3 years laptops and desktops will still be more relevant than tablets and smartphones." I made a thread to show that laptops still are relevant and that it's obvious to everyone but you and other tech geeks that they will be relevant in not only 2.5 more years but far beyond that. You can't get over the fact that the majority of people don't want to strain their eyes on their iPhone to use it for purposes such as internet when they have their laptop at home as well. Or use their iPad for the same when it doesn't fit nearly as comfortably in your lap and body as, wait, a laptop. You can't fathom that people have no ****ing interest in getting their iPhone or other iOS device out, hooking it up to some wire, and then hooking that wire up to some monitor. No one wants to do work at home. They want to grab their laptop and log on. Not fumble all over the place and strain to read. I'm sure the 6:1 ratio here though is just some anomaly. Moron.

And I'm sure that 6:1 ratio will be a lot different in 2 or 3 years, moron.