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Does anyone still like this team?

LoPo said:
I know many of you posters out there are afraid of the backlash you would get for speaking up, but many of you should be ashamed how yall let a few posters on here personally attack Donovan Mitchell again and again and again.

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I don’t hate Mitchell, and he’s one of my favorite players, but if we are being honest about things, he’s fundamentally everything that’s wrong with this team. He’s small for his position, horrible defender, not always focused makes bad decisions all the time, turnover prone, and tends to bog down the offense doesn’t get to the line enough for the style of play he uses. He’s a very good player with all the wrong skill sets for how small he is if that makes sense. He’s a guy that should get Gobert way more dunks then he does. Fact is he doesn’t trust Gobert at all and it hurts him and the team. I’ve seen him play to an ungodly form in the playoffs and still isn’t able to carry the jazz to succeed in the playoffs past the second round.

In the end if someone offered the jazz top value in picks and young prospects, I’d jump at it if I was the teams gm.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I don’t hate Mitchell, and he’s one of my favorite players, but if we are being honest about things, he’s fundamentally everything that’s wrong with this team. He’s small for his position, horrible defender, not always focused makes bad decisions all the time, turnover prone, and tends to bog down the offense doesn’t get to the line enough for the style of play he uses. He’s a very good player with all the wrong skill sets for how small he is if that makes sense. He’s a guy that should get Gobert way more dunks then he does. Fact is he doesn’t trust Gobert at all and it hurts him and the team. I’ve seen him play to an ungodly form in the playoffs and still isn’t able to carry the jazz to succeed in the playoffs past the second round.

In the end if someone offered the jazz top value in picks and young prospects, I’d jump at it if I was the teams gm.
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And for the record I don’t buy into him wanting to leave the jazz or being fake or any of the rhetoric @oneye spews. I just think he’s a flawed superstar.
 
In my opinion, the jazz on paper have a much better team then last year and we are much worse. I think it might be time for a change. I think what Gobert does is more conducive to winning basketball, so Mitchell is the one you trade to make a change and it’s imo clear a change needs to happen. I love Mitchell and hope I’m wrong, but I don’t believe I am.
 
Yesterday, in a win no less I lost hope in the jazz making any noise in the post season for the first time ever. Last night not even the decent perimeter defenders like house and O’Neale were just letting guys just straight line driving right by then at will. That game should’ve been a 25+ point blowout, but the lakers were within striking distance for most of the game. Now my hope is that the jazz make the play in embarrass them a little, maybe that would light a fire under their uninterested asses
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
In my opinion, the jazz on paper have a much better team then last year and we are much worse. I think it might be time for a change. I think what Gobert does is more conducive to winning basketball, so Mitchell is the one you trade to make a change and it’s imo clear a change needs to happen. I love Mitchell and hope I’m wrong, but I don’t believe I am.
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After last year's playoff loss there was a lot of talk about not worrying about seeding and going into the playoffs healthy.

So we don't have good seeding. Isn't that just fantastic according to posters here who claimed we blew our load for playoff seeding last year?

I'm just trying to understand the ever evolving wants and desires of www.jazzfanz.com
 
Gameface said:
After last year's playoff loss there was a lot of talk about not worrying about seeding and going into the playoffs healthy.

So we don't have good seeding. Isn't that just fantastic according to posters here who claimed we blew our load for playoff seeding last year?

I'm just trying to understand the ever evolving wants and desires of www.jazzfanz.com
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None of that has anything to do with record or sacrificing wins to be healthy for the playoffs, and everything to do with how the team looks and plays when healthy and full strength.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
None of that has anything to do with record or sacrificing wins to be healthy for the playoffs, and everything to do with how the team looks and plays when healthy and full strength.
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No, it does.

People actively advocated for winning less regular season games to supposedly win more post season games.

I'll dig up the posts if you want.
 
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
And yet has nothing to do with what I’m complaining about. This team plays with no passion
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Yeah, if you're not fighting for No. 1 then you obviously play games with no passion.

I'm not arguing against you. I'm arguing against the absurdity of not fighting for seeding.

Seeding matters. Winning games matters. Playing hard matters.

That's where I'm at and where I've always been.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, if you're not fighting for No. 1 then you obviously play games with no passion.
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Management isn’t fighting for #1. This has nothing to do with how the players play. The team has tried to focus on being healthy, players still trying to win as many games though. The jazz last year without Mitchell or Conley destroys this team fully healthy.
 
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