Does anyone still like this team?

[Sean]

I feel like I did circa 2001 with those old Jazz teams whose window you knew was pretty much closed but had hopes they'd somehow surprise.

It's remarkable how much has changed in just a year. Utah went from looking like one of the elite teams to turning right back into what they've been the last 20+ years: good but never great.

I think that defines the Jazz franchise post-S&M. They're durable, consistent but they ain't gonna get it done.

Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Portland, SA, Houston and the LA teams likely all have a higher ceiling than the Jazz. At least until they draft one of the greatest PGs and PFs of all-time.

It sucks but now more than ever I'm convinced this is as good as it gets.

The big difference between the 2001 vibes and today, though, is that back in 2001, I at least still had memories of experiencing the Jazz at the highest of highs. Now? It's but a faded memory. The Jazz has now gone longer without a NBA Finals appearance (24 years) as it took the team to make the Finals for the first-time in franchise history once relocating to SLC (18 years).

Think about how they sold that 1997 NBA Finals run. It was basically the long culmination of a franchise's struggle to the top. Their day had finally come!

Now realize we haven't sniffed getting back to that point in 6 years LONGER than it took to reach that point for the first time.

Yikes.

 

[fishonjazz]

I love Conley and Bogey but looking back I think I actually preferred watching the Rubio/Crowder team more than this current one. That team definitely wasn't anywhere near as good offensive/shooting wise, but it seemed like they played harder and had more personality and fight/grit than this team does. That group was less talented for sure but in my opinion, they had more heart. 2017/18 will forever be one of my favorite Jazz seasons and the OKC series will forever be one of my favorite playoff series' ever.

I think conley and bogey both have plenty of heart and grit. They just have weaknesses and limitations that are hard to overcome. Kind of like rubio and crowder. Would be awesome if we could combine conley with rubio and crowder with bogey. That would make for 2 pretty awesome 2 way players.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fun fun game tonight.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Well, after seven pages JazzFanz feels fairly evenly split between people who don’t like this team and people who are still pretending to like this team.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well, after seven pages JazzFanz feels fairly evenly split between people who don’t like this team and people who are still pretending to like this team.

I still like this team. No pretending. And if the jazz go on a big run all the people who didnt like this team suddenly will again. If they go deep in the playoff then suddenly those who didnt like this team might actually like this team more than any other iteration.

Winning cures a lot


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[One Brow]

Well, after seven pages JazzFanz feels fairly evenly split between people who don’t like this team and people who are still pretending to like this team.

Baking bias into such statements is petty, and indicative of a fragile mind.

 

[LogGrad98]

Baking bias into such statements is petty, and indicative of a fragile mind.

???

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Craziest thing to me about the Jazz and that they are the smartest team in the NBA and also kind of dumb.

By that I mean, they mathematically are basketball geniuses. They primarily take high value shots only with a very rare discipline.

But they are also collectively one of the worst passing teams in the NBA. Seem slow to recognize passes. No one on the team is really impressive as a passer. Donovan certainly has flashes and is extremely capable of high level drive and kick passes, but the dude misses so many assist opportunities because his best talent is laser focused volume scoring. Despite being one of the best offenses of all time, the Jazz are 27th in assist per game.

I think as Jazz fan's we have been programmed to overvalue the assist and inflates its importance, but I think the Jazz need to be better than 27th. It's crazy that the offense is so ****ing good, yet there is still realistic room for improvement. The loss of Ingles was huge in this regard.

I think we kind of underrate how good Quin is in this regard.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz are basically the James Harden Rockets with an offense that is a bit more democratic.

 

[One Brow]

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I don't like being told I'm only pretending to like something. What's the connection to Fraggle Rock?

 

[LogGrad98]

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I don't like being told I'm only pretending to like something. What's the connection to Fraggle Rock?

You said his mind is fraggle. At least that is the first thing that hit me when I saw it. I found the play on words funny.

 

[gomretat]

Jazz are basically the James Harden Rockets with an offense that is a bit more democratic.

The Harden Rockets and most teams Mike D coached were mostly iso ball. I don't think that is who we are and when we play that way we are not as good IMO.