Does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs ......

[Crawlnstall]

How great a move is it going to look when KD leaves and probably followed by Russ and his team totally sucks ballz for years, and the OKC fans turn on him for being a monumental waste of $$$ ? Make no mistake KD is gonna up and leave for GS when he the Spurs finish with him.

btw how did OKC finish up last year when Durant was injured ?? oh yeah, they missed the playoffs. Was that pathetic ?

Most experts think that KD signs a two year contract with a player option after the first year, ala Lebron.
That way he can make MORE money on his long term contract at the end of the 2017 season AND decide with Westbrook if they stay together or both leave.
I'd be shocked if he left, there is good talent on that team with Westbrook, Ibaka and Adams

 

[karl malone]

Lol. This is a cop out. So, because Only one team can win, we should accept our fate?

If we don't make the playoffs this next year, Lindsey failed.

Look at what Lindsey was given when he took over for KOC in 2012:

#3 pick in Kanter
#3 pick in Favors
#9 pick in Hayward
Assets that gave him the #9 pick
#5 pick in the draft
DeMarre Carroll
Alex Burks
Paul Millsap

He had Jeff Hornacek on staff.

Not once has he made the playoffs.

He had an All Star in Millsap and let him walk for nothing.

He traded Kanter for nothing.

He kept Corbin and let Horny walk for nothing.

He let Carroll walk for nothing.

Let's say he kept Millsap and Carroll.

We'd still have Gobert and Hood. We'd still have Favors and Hayward.

We'd look like this:

Mack/Neto
Hayward/Burks
Carroll/Hood
Millsap/Favors
Gobert

That team makes the playoffs the last 4 years and is a lot more exciting that what we have.

Like I've said 100 times before, Exum better be a star or the last 4 years were a complete waste.

-I agree that, unless we make a major change in the direction of this rebuild by trading Hayward &/or Favors, missing the playoffs this year would be a major failure but I don't believe that winning was as much of a priority as player development was over the last 3 seasons

-The #5 pick shouldn't be on that list of assets, it was a result of allowing Carroll/Millsap (& Jefferson) to walk for nothing (as was the GSW trade which netted Hood & a 2017 1st)

-I like Hornacek but view Snyder as the better fit for our current roster so don't see that as a mistake in the long run

-You can't assume that Gobert & Hood would've still been drafted, Millsap & Carroll being on the team likely changes our draft approach

-I agree that the roster you listed (although I'm not sure that's how it turns out if we had retained Millsap & Carroll) makes the playoffs but I don't see it competing for a championship which, while unlikely, this current team still has the opportunity to do

-Regardless of how Exum turns out, IMO this team made the right decision to prioritize young talent & player development over assembling a team that had very little opportunity at legitimately competing for a championship

-DL has made his share of mistakes (moving up for Burke, not trading Kanter sooner, not adding any vets via FA this past off-season, etc) but IMO his good decisions (trading up for Gobert, drafting Hood/Lyles, extending Favors, hiring Snyder, etc) far outweigh the bad up to this point

 

[phippsj]

If you really dig in, one thing that becomes apparent is that the Jazz were not ready to handle a 19 year old player. This organization has had a strong culture with Stockton, Malone and of course Sloan. Things were a certain way for a LONG time, and dealing with youth was not a strength. AK is probably the greatest young talent success story here, and even then its really not what it could have been.

Look at the OKC culture and how they handle players from day 1. Could Kanter have handled himself better? Absolutely. He was also 19 when he arrived, a year out of high school. So he handled himself how he did... the Jazz did not have the mentorship in place. Some 19 year olds are really mature, ready to go. He wasn't. That should have been recognized and worked on instead of ignored.

I think the Jazz took notice. Trading Kanter was an admission of failure. However, Corbin was let go prior, and the Jazz brought in a coach and culture will start to change towards development.

Different organizations have different cultures, and that does affect performance. Thats reality, regardless of anybody opinion that it should be otherwise. Houston looks great on paper, but the team fell apart. Jackson, as a coach, has a ton of titles with incredibly strong personalities playing for him. His brilliance was not on the court, it was managing those egos.

We can all sit around and point to Kanter and say "he sucks, glad he's gone" or we can do what the Jazz did... realize there is room for improvement. Sometimes you just have to cut losses and move, and that's what the Jazz did. I wish we could have received more in return, but it is what it is. This trade was not good. It becomes disastrous if the Jazz fail to learn what led up to it.

 

[Nate505]

If you really dig in, one thing that becomes apparent is that the Jazz were not ready to handle a 19 year old player. This organization has had a strong culture with Stockton, Malone and of course Sloan. Things were a certain way for a LONG time, and dealing with youth was not a strength. AK is probably the greatest young talent success story here, and even then its really not what it could have been.

Look at the OKC culture and how they handle players from day 1. Could Kanter have handled himself better? Absolutely. He was also 19 when he arrived, a year out of high school. So he handled himself how he did... the Jazz did not have the mentorship in place. Some 19 year olds are really mature, ready to go. He wasn't. That should have been recognized and worked on instead of ignored.

I think the Jazz took notice. Trading Kanter was an admission of failure. However, Corbin was let go prior, and the Jazz brought in a coach and culture will start to change towards development.

Different organizations have different cultures, and that does affect performance. Thats reality, regardless of anybody opinion that it should be otherwise. Houston looks great on paper, but the team fell apart. Jackson, as a coach, has a ton of titles with incredibly strong personalities playing for him. His brilliance was not on the court, it was managing those egos.

We can all sit around and point to Kanter and say "he sucks, glad he's gone" or we can do what the Jazz did... realize there is room for improvement. Sometimes you just have to cut losses and move, and that's what the Jazz did. I wish we could have received more in return, but it is what it is. This trade was not good. It becomes disastrous if the Jazz fail to learn what led up to it.

Favors was young here and he handled himself well. Of course he's not a bitch like Kanter is.

 

[green]

Here is a question:

Would anyone argue that what Kanter did was a mistake?

I find it funny we bash on him when he did what he felt was best for him...and he was RIGHT.

He has a max deal. He plays for a title contender.

Kanter did what Kanter should have done.

Now, the antics after the trade are debatable BUT those antics get shown on Sportscenter and we talk about a bench player.

There's no bad publicity, correct?

 

[Nate505]

A mistake? If he wants to be a role player on a Championship contender, no, it wasn't a mistake. He got paid too. Good for him.

Was he extremely unprofessional about it? Absolutely. Did he cost the Jazz by publicly demanding a trade? Absolutely. Nobody is bashing him for doing him looking out for himself. He's bashed because he publicly demanded a trade, reducing whatever trade value he had, and then came back and bashed the organization. There's a reason his first game back nobody on the Jazz shook his hand before the game started (or fist bumped or whatever it is they do now). It's not just a bunch of bitter Jazz fans who were pissed at him, it was the most of the former team he played for.

I'll even give him credit today. He made two good defensive plays. It was an epic career achievement for him.

 

[tleikheen]

I'll even give him credit today. He made two good defensive plays. It was an epic career achievement for him.

He couldn't have done it if Trey Burke was playing defense in front of him ......

 

[silesian]

I find it funny we bash on him when he did what he felt was best for him...and he was RIGHT. He has a max deal.

Portland was going to offer Kanter a max deal whether he demanded a trade or not. To suggest that his behavior led to more money is a totally ludicrous proposition.

Furthermore, he had no way to know he would be traded to a title contender or to the freaking Kings. So to give him credit for his strategy leading to being on a title contender is almost as preposterous.

 

[silesian]

If he wants to be a role player on a Championship contender, no, it wasn't a mistake.

Fixed

If he wants to be a role player on a second-tier team as part of a weak bench that leads to their elimination in the second round by a deeper team Championship contender

 

[tleikheen]

If he wants to be a role player on a second-tier team as part of a weak bench that leads to their elimination in the second round by a deeper team Championship contender

Led by the physical Kanter and Adams lineup, OKC had 10 second-chance points in the final 12 minutes.

“They out-toughed us,” Gregg Popovich said. “They battered us on the boards.”

Donovan is a 1st year Coach ,is he finally seeing a way to win

 

[NCJazz]

We should have at least got the Euroleague rising star out of the trade instead of Pleiss.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

There was just no way in hell the Jazz were going to max Kanter, which is what he wanted (and felt he deserved). So the question is not whether we should have traded him, it's whether we should have maxed him to keep him, which is what it would have required. Since we would not have maxed him in any case, nor is he a "max player," it's really a moot question.

Aside from the max issue, if Kanter had been content to come off the bench in Utah and play a role similar to the one he's playing in OKC, it very well could have worked. He seems content to come off the bench in OKC and to play 25 minutes or so a night (and often sit out during crunch time), but then he's getting a max salary to do it. In Utah, it's likely he would not have been happy with a similar role at a non-max salary. Despite his occasional bright moments, there's a reason Kanter's still coming off the bench and playing non-starter minutes.

Here's a laugh, I was reading comments on ESPN.com after Game 3 OKC-SA, and there were posters actually saying that OKC should blow up the team and rebuild around Kanter and Adams. Yikes!