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Blue = democratic/liberal
Red = repub/conservative
Utah is as about red as they come. Other than SLC.
DOMA and Prop 8 bite the dust
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Blue = democratic/liberal
Red = repub/conservative
Utah is as about red as they come. Other than SLC.
SLC is purple and the rest of Utah is blood red.
Yeah, the problem becomes that if you believe homosexuality is genetic (and I do) then the "sinner" is doomed at birth by those who believe that line of thinking.
Personally I don't care to live in a society that says "you were born gay? Well **** you then, you're some sort of sinning person and therefore shouldn't have any sort of equal rights. I mean, you can still be gay and all but don't do anything that is perfectly legal for heterosexual couples to do. Who cares what your pesky hormones and natural urges say. Sucks for you that you were born that way, but hey, God's will and stuff."
Many people that are agaisnt gay marriage don't care about the legal rights associated with marriage being granted to gays. Hence the whole civil union offer that was rejected.
See, I take offense that religious people seem to think they own the monopoly on "marriage". I consider myself married and I'm not religious, at all. Marriage is now apart of our social fabric and its something I hold dear and is very important to me.
Religion doesn't own marriage.
Fair enough. However I do think that the defending marriage arguement is solid in principle and horrible in execution. I am all for protecting the sanctitiy of marriage. Denying the rights of marriage to gays does not do that. You could require counseling before divorce (exceptions for violence, crimes...), counseling before marriage, removal of immediate marriages (like the Vegas drive thrus)...
I agree with this, and I have also held, for years, the same opinion as Stoked. The gubbmint should recognize "domestic partnerships". My wife and I are a DP, my gay neighbor and his partner are a DP. As far as marriage goes, let churches continue to do their own thing, so their members can have whatever standing they need before God. But any other entity should be the same. If your biker gang or chihuahua ownership club wants to sanction a marriage, good on 'em. They can recognize it for their own purposes, just like a church would. There is a lot about non-denominational and non-religious weddings on the interwebz.
I've read several studies that show there are other possible causes.
Whilst drafting a post about this earlier today, for about five whole minutes, I completely understood where the LDS and other Christian churches come from. Not just saw it, but understood it wholly. Why they're so deathly against it in the media, so adamant, so unforgiving. Everything. I didn't agree with it, but I had a grasp of it that I'd never had before.
And then I dropped a deuce. And I tell you, it was a doosey. But afterwards I completely lost that train of thought. I don't even remember where in the argument it started, or ended.
I guess what I'm trying to say, if they'd collectively pull the stick out of their ***, they'd grasp that they under no circumstances need to accept, recognize, or preform LBGT marriages. They just need to let others use their free agency to the fullest.
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Take it back take it back, lil brother!
The majority of this state is blue baby. Sellouts happen even in late November when it's a game against Idaho kickoff at 8:30pm. Only a lil bit of SLC is red. And most of them don't even go to the games.
Lol brother my ***. **** Utah and **** BYU.