Joe Bagadonuts
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The libs are salivating because we're on the verge of Trump's collapse... again. Ho hum. Feels like Groundhog Day.
Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
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Seems like conserves should be salivating because we are on the verge of trumps collapse too. Unless conserves like unqualified, inexperienced, low class, idiotic, embarrassing, morons to be running our country I guess.
Red
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Regarding our reality TV President, sure, agreed. I don't know if it was genius on his part, or just instinct, just success in the formula and knowing how to apply it to a presidential race, all of the above, I've made this point repeatedly in these threads. It's a basic truth of his presidency, just as his alternative reality is a basic tool in creating a cult like atmosphere over his core followers. A reality tv figure and a cult of personality. Wonderful. It's dangerous precisely because it's a template for future races if it worked so well this time. Check out this from the Washington Post, on last Tuesday's primaries:
"In Nevada, brothel owner Dennis Hof, the star of a TV show about prostitution and the author of “The Art of the Pimp,” blew past a Republican incumbent to win the nomination for a seat in the state legislature. In an interview, Hof said that Trump “blazed the trail” for him.
“He gave me the confidence that I could do this — I could be a reality TV star, an author and a brothel owner and then be elected to serve,” said Hof."
I'd like to think we're better then this, but I might be kidding myself.
But I would not eliminate the Russian connection at this point. My point was that it is not irrational to wonder why he basically helps Putin's aim of weakening the Western alliance. I don't blame anyone for wanting an answer to his public fealty to Putin, while spurning our European allies. Of course, I should think one has to wonder. This guy has promoted Putin's aims so well, I would not blame anybody for wondering the worst.
But put aside the extreme case of an actual agent.
Just focus on all the Russian connections among his campaign staff. So far, Mueller has not charged Manafort with anything to do with collusion with Russia during the election, but he was charged to look into Manafort for that very possibility:
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17176076/mueller-trump-russia-manafort
It's not unusual to use smaller fish in the food chain to get higher ups. Manafort now faces 25 charges, and has seen more focus then any other Trump campaign aide. I don't know exactly why. I'm just guessing like almost anyone else willing to speculate. And I am willing to speculate. And man does Manafort have tight connections in the Ukraine and Russia. Why is Mueller so focused on Manafort, yet so far not bringing forth any charges related to collusion with Russia in the 2016 election? Maybe Manafort's extended stay in prison will provide answers.
Russia is a gangsta state as far as I can see. The intelligence services, the Russian mob, the oligarchs, and Putin are a pretty tight group. It's a criminal enterprise as much as a nation state. I think there is more involved then just a reality tv star demagogue. I'm guessing Mueller thinks as much by now as well. Even "banished" Bannon opined long ago it would be the money trail that Mueller would focus on. And I will certainly still give credence to the Steele Dossier and to reports like this from a year ago, in The New Republic:
https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
This serial liar has said "no collusion" more then any other phrase in his alternative reality universe. That makes it almost a given that there is collusion. Yeah, it's a reality tv show, the top rated reality tv series yet. Every day. Exactly what Trump wants, and his ego can't live without. But I have no reason to fear my mind is rotting, @Joe Bagadonuts charge against me, no reason at all. I don't even take to Rachel Madow, lol. And I have no problem speculating based on all I seen, heard, and read. We'll see, but methinks Russian connections of an unsavory flavor will be part of #45's legacy.
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Well said Red
The question I keep coming back to is who benefits from all this chaos?
And the answer keeps coming back Russia and China.
Since WWII the U.S. has been the leader of the Western industrialized countries. We have built alliances, made sacrifices to bolster those alliances, and advocated for the prioritization of principles over profit. From the Marshall Plan, to the U.N., to NATO, to our trade policies and foreign aid. Our President seems to never miss an opportunity to undermine our long standing policies and alliances. Who benefits? those outside of the existing power structure. I have been reluctant to believe President Trump is a Russian plant, but I can't ignore the effects of insulting our allies at every opportunity, aggrandizing and normalizing the totalitarians and despots, and creating chaos in the world order that has served American interests well for 3/4 of a century.
There was an Afghanistan War U.S. Army Vet, Dan Helmer, running for congress here in Virginia. He lost, but he had a commercial where he called President Trump "the greatest threat to our democracy." When it first ran I thought, BS, that is too far over the top. It may not have been the best political strategy, but I have to wonder if he wasn't accurate.
Joe Bagadonuts
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The left wing hate machine is truly powerful. I cannot imagine how Trump can withstand this hurricane, yet he somehow seems to thrive on the chaos. Bizarre to witness.
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Trump proves on a daily basis that he’s the “useful idiot” that they’ve wanted for decades. You don’t need a Manchurian Candidate when you essentially get the same results from a Useful Idiot.
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You gotta admit, this is pretty funny:
To put that tweet in context, he was responding to this from the IG report:
"Other instant messages showed FBI employees referring to Trump as “Drumpf,” calling Trump supporters “retarded” and “lazy POS,” writing “screw you trump” and “**** trump,” joking about Trump’s election signaling the fall of the Republic, and writing “Viva le resistance.”
"Other instant messages showed FBI employees referring to Trump as “Drumpf,” calling Trump supporters “retarded” and “lazy POS,” writing “screw you trump” and “**** trump,” joking about Trump’s election signaling the fall of the Republic, and writing “Viva le resistance.”
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There is an article explaining Trump's foreign policy, recently written by editor Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, and appearing in that periodical. It's entitled "A Senior White House Official Defines the Trump Doctrine: 'We're America, B***h'". This article has been cited and summarized by many sources in both print and broadcast media since it was published on June 11th. In a way, it's really a self evident description for anyone who has followed Trump's words and actions toward the world beyond our borders.
Unfortunetly, I cannot leave a direct link to this article, as the last few sentences include a profanity that would not be permitted. Of the many summaries of the article, the one at this link X's out those profanities. This link also allows one to find that original short article, or one can google it, which is well worth a read in understanding Trump's foreign policy. Here is the summary link, but below that I am going to include excerpts from Goldberg's piece, since none of the summaries include everything Goldberg learned. The very last paragraph from the Goldberg article, the last paragraph in this comment, is something I agree with. Since I therefore believe this president is very much acting against the interests of the country I love, why anyone would conclude that my opposition to this man is nothing but "left wing hate" is absolutely beyond me. How could I possibly not speak out against a president who is acting against the best interests of my country and undermining the Western alliance?
The profanity-free summary article, followed by excerpts from Goldberg's original piece:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-foreign-doctrine-america-20180611-story.html
"Over the past couple of months, I’ve asked a number of people close to the president to provide me with short descriptions of what might constitute the Trump Doctrine. I’ve been trying, as part of a larger project, to understand the revolutionary nature of Trump’s approach to world affairs. This task became even more interesting over the weekend, when Trump made his most ambitious move yet to dismantle the U.S.-led Western alliance....
Trumpian chaos is, in fact, undergirded by a comprehensible worldview, a number of experts have insisted. The Brookings Institution scholar (and frequent Atlantic contributor) Thomas Wright argued in a January 2016 essay that Trump’s views are both discernible and explicable. Wright, who published his analysis at a time when most everyone in the foreign-policy establishment considered Trump’s candidacy to be a farce, wrote that Trump loathes the liberal international order and would work against it as president; he wrote that Trump also dislikes America’s military alliances, and would work against them; he argued that Trump believes in his bones that the global economy is unfair to the U.S.; and, finally, he wrote that Trump has an innate sympathy for “authoritarian strongmen.”
Wright was prophetic. Trump’s actions these past weeks, and my conversations with administration officials and friends and associates of Trump, suggest that the president will be acting on his beliefs in a more urgent, and focused, way than he did in the first year of his presidency, and that the pace of potentially cataclysmic disruption will quicken in the coming days. And so, understanding Trump’s foreign-policy doctrine is more urgent than ever.
The third-best encapsulation of the Trump Doctrine, as outlined by a senior administration official over lunch a few weeks ago, is this: “No Friends, No Enemies.”.........Trump, this official said, doesn’t believe that the U.S. should be part of any alliance at all. “We have to explain to him that countries that have worked with us together in the past expect a level of loyalty from us, but he doesn’t believe that this should factor into the equation,” the official said.
The second-best self-description of the Trump Doctrine I heard was this, from a senior national-security official: “Permanent destabilization creates American advantage.” The official who described this to me said Trump believes that keeping allies and adversaries alike perpetually off-balance necessarily benefits the United States, which is still the most powerful country on Earth. When I noted that America’s adversaries seem far less destabilized by Trump than do America’s allies, this official argued for strategic patience. “They’ll see over time that it doesn’t pay to argue with us.”
The best distillation of the Trump Doctrine I heard, though, came from a senior White House official with direct access to the president and his thinking. I was talking to this person several weeks ago, and I said, by way of introduction, that I thought it might perhaps be too early to discern a definitive Trump Doctrine.
“No,” the official said. “There’s definitely a Trump Doctrine.”
“What is it?” I asked. Here is the answer I received:
“The Trump Doctrine is ‘We’re America, B***h.’ That’s the Trump Doctrine.”
It struck me almost immediately that this was the most acute, and attitudinally honest, description of the manner in which members of Trump’s team, and Trump himself, understand their role in the world.
I asked this official to explain the idea. “Obama apologized to everyone for everything. He felt bad about everything.” President Trump, this official said, “doesn’t feel like he has to apologize for anything America does.”
“We’re America, B***h” is not only a characterologically accurate collective self-appraisal—the gangster fronting, the casual misogyny, the insupportable confidence—but it is also perfectly Rorschachian. To Trump’s followers, “We’re America, B***h” could be understood as a middle finger directed at a cold and unfair world, one that no longer respects American power and privilege. To much of the world, however, and certainly to most practitioners of foreign and national-security policy, “We’re America, B***h"would be understood as self-isolating, and self-sabotaging.
But what is mainly interesting about “We’re America, B***h” is its delusional quality. Donald Trump is pursuing policies that undermine the Western alliance, empower Russia and China, and demoralize freedom-seeking people around the world. The United States could be made weaker—perhaps permanently—by the implementation of the Trump Doctrine.
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Which I would agree with all of those texts. His base is retarded, either intellectually or emotionally.
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Here is a guy who actually salutes a high ranking North Korean officer, photographed for use as NK propaganda. Here is a guy who refers to joint military exercises of SK and the US as "provocative" and "war games", the very words used to describe those excercises by China, Russia, and North Korea. He calls our free press, the fourth estate, "the enemy of the people", a common tactic of all authoritarians who naturally fear a free press. But who is really acting as the enemy of America more? Our free press, or the President himself? I've made no secret what my answer would be. Yet this is all described as being part and parcel of a "left wing hate machine". I rather see it as the position of truth seeking patriotic Americans. Of which I am very much one, if I do have to say so myself. I've no doubt my right wing friends love this country. I have such friends. I am even married to one. But they need to understand they themselves are enveloped by Trump's own compliant press, like Fox News, and their star apologist Hannity. This is not my fault. I can't get through to them. The propaganda machine, in full support in promoting the president's alternative reality narrative, has too tight a grip on their minds and their emotions. It's up to them to realize the tragic mistake they are making.
*Country's
unless he's actually talking about both Russia and the U.S., in which case it would be *countries'
Dude has a real good brain /sarcasm