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Aren't most religious folks pro life?
Don't most religious folks believe that when a baby dies it is innocent and gets a free pass into heaven?
So if you were to give a person a choice of starting a life on Earth at a huge disadvantage such as having a mom that doesn't want them, major health defects, drug addicted parents, parents in poverty unable to properly care for you, etc and living in a world full of fear, hate, suicides, sickness, depression, hunger, etc..... Or going to heaven to live in Paradise and perpetual happiness with people you love. Which would you choose?
I know I would choose heaven.

Why would a religious person want to prevent or decrease the chances of the babies from going to heaven?
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The most immense and dangerous public scandal in American history is finally cracking open like a ripe pomegranate. The broad swath of the Trump-hating media that has participated in what has amounted to an unconstitutional attempt to overthrow the government are reduced to reporting the events and revelations of the scandal in which they have been complicit, in a po-faced ho-hum manner to impart to the misinformed public that this is as routine as stock market fluctuations or the burning of an American flag in Tehran.

For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives: that an elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect; and its rival narrative that senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative. It is now obvious and indisputable that the second narrative is the correct one.


The authors, accomplices, and dupes of this attempted overthrow of constitutional government are now well along in reciting their misconduct without embarrassment or remorse because—in fired FBI Director James Comey’s formulation—a “higher duty” than the oath they swore to uphold the Constitution compelled them. Or—in fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s words—“the threat” was too great. Nevermind that the nature of “the threat” was that the people might elect someone he and Comey disapproved of as president, and that that person might actually serve his term, as elected.

A Long List of Offenders—and Offenses
The extent of the criminal misconduct of the former law enforcement and intelligence chiefs is now notorious, but to make the right point here, it has to be summarized. The fact that the officially preferred candidate lied to federal officials about her emails and acted in outright contempt of Congress and the legal process in the destruction of evidence, was simply ignored by the FBI director, who announced that she would not be prosecuted, though he had no authority to make that determination.

The dossier of salacious gossip and defamatory falsehoods amassed by a retired British spy from the lowest grade of intelligence sources in Russia, commissioned and paid for by the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee, was circulated to the media by high public officials and cited in illegal and dishonest applications to authorize surveillance of the campaign of the other presidential candidate. A special counsel was empowered on the false pretext of the necessity to get to the bottom of Trump-Russian collusion in the election, of which there was and remains no evidence, because it did not occur and was a complete partisan fabrication.
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This is how dumb you're going to end up looking when you let the media manipulate you, drag you around by your noses.
 
Heres a wild devils advocate argument.

Mueller is a actually working for Trump and this is his the Presidents play at “draining the swamp”. All the twitter storms by him are missdirection.

There will be indictments, allegations and charges against numerous people on the right and left. Bribes, corruption, perjury, theft...

Go! Lol
 
fishonjazz said:
Aren't most religious folks pro life?
Don't most religious folks believe that when a baby dies it is innocent and gets a free pass into heaven?
So if you were to give a person a choice of starting a life on Earth at a huge disadvantage such as having a mom that doesn't want them, major health defects, drug addicted parents, parents in poverty unable to properly care for you, etc and living in a world full of fear, hate, suicides, sickness, depression, hunger, etc..... Or going to heaven to live in Paradise and perpetual happiness with people you love. Which would you choose?
I know I would choose heaven.

Why would a religious person want to prevent or decrease the chances of the babies from going to heaven?
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Im not religious. Something just doesnt feel right about killing a baby. I dont think being behind a layer of skin changes anything either.
 
Stoked said:
Heres a wild devils advocate argument.

Mueller is a actually working for Trump and this is his the Presidents play at “draining the swamp”. All the twitter storms by him are missdirection.

There will be indictments, allegations and charges against numerous people on the right and left. Bribes, corruption, perjury, theft...

Go! Lol
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Wrong thread. This is the abortion thread.

Oh wait, your posts are abortions.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Im not religious. Something just doesnt feel right about killing a baby. I dont think being behind a layer of skin changes anything either.
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I dont feel right about it either. I dont think women who get abortions feel right about it. Its an extremely tough decision in almost every case im sure. Those poor women that make that incrediblyhard and saddening decision deserve compassion rather than to be demonized imo. I couldnt wait to meet my daughter and cant imagine ever wanting my wife to get an abortion.
But other people are in very different circumstances than my wife and I and shoukd be able to make their own determinations and decisions with their dr, their families, therapists, etc etc.

Im pro life. I just dont think that everyone else shoukd have to think and feel the same way i do though. Freedom and stuff.


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Stoked said:
Heres a wild devils advocate argument.

Mueller is a actually working for Trump and this is his the Presidents play at “draining the swamp”. All the twitter storms by him are missdirection.

There will be indictments, allegations and charges against numerous people on the right and left. Bribes, corruption, perjury, theft...

Go! Lol
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This is actually the point of view of the Q movement, which swept a portion of Trump supporters awhile back. At the time at his rallies, in addition to the MAGA hats, there were Q tee shirts everywhere. It was quite bonkers, but ya know, and I'm sure it still has many advocates....

 
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I think one thing that may really help folks like NPC D4617 understand the present situation in America, and can help both sides of our political polarization understand that the other side is not really an "enemy", is to try to understand the psychological basis for the different ways in which liberals and conservatives see the world. I have racked my brains trying to understand why everyone simply does not see right through Trump. But, at least to some degree, I believe this is simply based on the fact that the two sides see the world differently. As an intro to this idea, here is a short essay on the psychological differences between liberals and conservatives:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...berals-and-conservatives-think-so-differently

I hinted at taking this approach, and tried to get that across to NPC D4617 in comment #3351, page 68 of this thread, by suggesting why we would continue to just talk past each other. I honestly believe people who are firmly on either side of our polarized society need to understand seeing the world differently, as an essential part of our very being and makeup, is at the heart of our differences. Simply knowing this, and digging into it, the above essay is only one of many results that come up in a google search of "liberals and conservatives see the world differently" should help tone down attack style rhetoric. So, if I post a comment that truly boggles the mind of NPC D4617, there may be less likelihood that his reply will start "You're on crack", as was the case recently.
 
There are two narratives emerging, and that has been the case for awhile now, and these narratives will likely fight it out in the wake of Mueller's report, at the time of its release. Two dramatically different interpretations of what we are going through as a nation. Clearly these represent, or reflect, different interpretations of the world itself. They really cannot both be right, either. It is very alarming, I believe, because such diametrically opposed interpretations simply does not bode well for what lies ahead for us as a nation.

Now, in fairness, since people like myself have made no effort to hide anti-Trump sentiments, here is a piece from the far right, so far as I can tell, which adopts that narrative that I believe is concocted, and not based in reality, but the piece at least acknowledges the existence of these competing narratives. Now, I could say I think this perspective is nuts, and yeah, in the sense that I cannot understand why everyone does not simply see through Trump as easily as myself, it does seem "nuts", or divorced from reality. But, I also want to keep in mind this is a "war" of sorts between sides that fundamentally see the world differently. I have no choice but to keep that in mind, or I risk seeing the other side as lacking humanity somehow, and I cannot let that happen.

And I do not always practice what I am trying to say here, but I do in fact always have this belief in the back of my mind. I do not understand why everyone does not think like me, and sometimes lash out at those who don't, but nothing will ever be resolved as long as we do treat the other side as an enemy, rather then fellow Americans who see a different world then other Americans.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/21/the-greatest-constitutional-crisis-since-the-civil-war/

"For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives: that an elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect; and its rival narrative that senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative. It is now obvious and indisputable that the second narrative is the correct one."
 
NPC D4617 said:
Anything other than the baby had to be aborted to save the life of the female or she was raped, is down right disgusting. .
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If you approve of murdering a baby if a woman is raped you are a disgusting amoral inhuman bastard. SHAME! SHAME!
 
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