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There are certain people on this board YB85 and Jeditiger to name a few whose advances towards Fes were spurned and thus are now acting like the little children they are. You must be right. You are seeing it correctly and no one else could possibly have a good point or two about Fes. No one including multiple coaches, teammates etc could possibly be right. Only you are right. Screw the +/- because it doesn't fit your ideal. Ignore the obvious influence he has on players or let's say Bynum's stats against Fes versus the rest of the Laker's playoff games. You use a lot of legitimacy as posters because your criticism is never backed by a logical argument only emotional diatribe. Does Fes need to work harder, absolutely. Do you really think though that if he hadn't shown significant progress in practice, games etc, that he would still be playing for the Jazz or any NBA team? As pointed out before by another poster additional minutes will make a huge difference in his progress, his psyche etc.

In a nutshell, talk facts, stats or anything else but otherwise take your emotional drivel elsewhere to your make believe fantasy world because the rest of the normal human beings on this site don't hate simply to hate.

PS Yeah, we are all impressed you have your own forum as well. I wish I could be your friend.

Boo hoo. Now my feelings are hurt. You want stats? How about this: 79 games played out of 246 while he has been here. Sounds like the multiple coaches feel he is really worth playing. Either that or the guy can't be healthy. What am I missing?

Your little diatribe was impressive, but I failed to see the facts that you are asking that I post. If the guy is as good as some on this board say, then why has he not been signed to a contract or an offer sheet? 7 foot plus guys are in such huge demand and here is this guy who has an "obvious influence" on games that is waiting for a contract. Apparently all of the GM's haven't yet talked to "multiple coaches, teammates etc" or someone would have offered this immensely talented center a contract. Instead, he sits, unsigned, while debates take place about whether $1-2M per is fair or if a third year should be offered.

Do I hate Fes? No. I wish that he would step up and understand that with work he could have the world, but instead he is happy to be an NBA player but not actually play.

As for being cool enough to have your own forum, you can kick in some funds and Jason will set you up. It's not that complicated. Then you can invite your friends and be cool together with your own little Fes circle jerk.
 
Boo hoo. Now my feelings are hurt. You want stats? How about this: 79 games played out of 246 while he has been here. Sounds like the multiple coaches feel he is really worth playing. Either that or the guy can't be healthy. What am I missing?

Your little diatribe was impressive, but I failed to see the facts that you are asking that I post. If the guy is as good as some on this board say, then why has he not been signed to a contract or an offer sheet? 7 foot plus guys are in such huge demand and here is this guy who has an "obvious influence" on games that is waiting for a contract. Apparently all of the GM's haven't yet talked to "multiple coaches, teammates etc" or someone would have offered this immensely talented center a contract. Instead, he sits, unsigned, while debates take place about whether $1-2M per is fair or if a third year should be offered.

Do I hate Fes? No. I wish that he would step up and understand that with work he could have the world, but instead he is happy to be an NBA player but not actually play.

As for being cool enough to have your own forum, you can kick in some funds and Jason will set you up. It's not that complicated. Then you can invite your friends and be cool together with your own little Fes circle jerk.

The Jazz did tender a QO to Fes:

https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5340118

He has yet to sign the contract... I'm guessing he's deciding which offer, from his numerous suitors, he wants to take... wait there haven't been any offers.

The Jazz are doing the smart thing and getting him for the bare minimum.
 
the game the jazz trailed by double digits the whole way? oh, joy. as long as you want to talk about specific games, please breakdown Fesenko's contribution in this one:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010043026

or this one:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010050413

Yes, that was Fes's fault :) Rusty, nobody saying he is an all star or going to be an all star, but if we can keep him for the million or even 2 million I think it would be well worth it. Obviously we would not have extended the QO if Sloan and O'Connor did not feel the same way. What great center otherwise would we get for a million?
 
There are certain people on this board YB85 and Jeditiger to name a few whose advances towards Fes were spurned and thus are now acting like the little children they are. You must be right. You are seeing it correctly and no one else could possibly have a good point or two about Fes. No one including multiple coaches, teammates etc could possibly be right. Only you are right. Screw the +/- because it doesn't fit your ideal. Ignore the obvious influence he has on players or let's say Bynum's stats against Fes versus the rest of the Laker's playoff games. You use a lot of legitimacy as posters because your criticism is never backed by a logical argument only emotional diatribe. Does Fes need to work harder, absolutely. Do you really think though that if he hadn't shown significant progress in practice, games etc, that he would still be playing for the Jazz or any NBA team? As pointed out before by another poster additional minutes will make a huge difference in his progress, his psyche etc.

In a nutshell, talk facts, stats or anything else but otherwise take your emotional drivel elsewhere to your make believe fantasy world because the rest of the normal human beings on this site don't hate simply to hate.

PS Yeah, we are all impressed you have your own forum as well. I wish I could be your friend.

Hi Fes! Didn't know you posted here! Got any offers from Europe yet?
 
Not very sad to see Koufos go... liked the guy, but he wasn't going anywhere in the league. He'll end up as a poor man's Jaron Collins?

This move of dumping Koufos obv. hints at the FO being interested in Fes, not to mention the QO they already hit him with... IDK Fesenko is a heck of a bargain at 1-2 million.

I'm on the side that hopes Fes is back on the cheap.

Al Jeff, Mansap, AK and Fes is an alright Frontcourt I'll tell you wat.
 
I looked in the mirror and the image said "S2M is a moron and Fes sucks, regardless of some +/- ********". The mirror is smart.
Thank you for proving my point, given that you have no response except a personal attack, not that your original claim was rife with basis in the first place.

Impressive that your mirror image is able to communicate both at a time.
 
Boo hoo. Now my feelings are hurt. You want stats? How about this: 79 games played out of 246 while he has been here. Sounds like the multiple coaches feel he is really worth playing. Either that or the guy can't be healthy. What am I missing?

Your little diatribe was impressive, but I failed to see the facts that you are asking that I post. If the guy is as good as some on this board say, then why has he not been signed to a contract or an offer sheet? 7 foot plus guys are in such huge demand and here is this guy who has an "obvious influence" on games that is waiting for a contract. Apparently all of the GM's haven't yet talked to "multiple coaches, teammates etc" or someone would have offered this immensely talented center a contract. Instead, he sits, unsigned, while debates take place about whether $1-2M per is fair or if a third year should be offered.
OK; now I see your attempt at basis. Your assumption is that coaches and GMs correctly judge talent, and that assumption is clearly not true. You need not go farther than your own Utah Jazz to see that such an assumption is weak.

Do I hate Fes? No. I wish that he would step up and understand that with work he could have the world, but instead he is happy to be an NBA player but not actually play.
This doesn't have to do with liking or hating. I "like" Okur, perhaps as much or more than Fesenko. But Okur lets opposing players drive and/or rebound and/or score more than Fes does, not that Fes is perfect. I wish that the players whom Sloan tends to play (such as Boozer and Millsap together) were more effective, especially against athletic teams and contenders. But they aren't, and Sloan has failed to sufficiently adapt to this fact.

We've been through this exercise before: in no game in the Laker playoff series did the Lakers score more than the Jazz when Fesenko was in the game, and when he was in the game, more often than not they scored less inside. Yet at least two out of the four times, Sloan reverted to the comfortable CB + PM combo down the stretch, and it resulted in Utah losing a lead or a small deficit. Oh, and BTW, the same pattern happened repeatedly during the regular season. The key difference is that certain combinations with Fesenko were usually up against at least partial backups, whereas Fes was going against the starting lineup (including Bynum) for much of the Laker series.

I am optimistic that Jefferson will be at least modestly better defensively alongside Millsap than Boozer was. A frontcourt of AK, PM, and AJ can be pretty formidable on both ends. But Utah will still need Fesenko to win games, and Sloan should still find 10 to 15 MPG so that he can develop. Because despite your childish insults, reality is that big men especially need on-court playing time to develop, and although Fes doesn't score much (neither did Eaton nor Tag, btw), he still helps to control the paint even now.
 
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Everyone agrees Fes needs more playing time, but I have a feeling his attitude and work ethic have been his downfall. I hope he is working on his free throws this summer.

I think he played fairly well against Denver and did okay in the Laker series considering everything ... his lack of prior playing time and being forced into a pressure series. He actually outplayed Bynum head-to-head one game, though Bynum admittedly was not 100 percent. I think he has made some improvement, but still needs a better attitude and work ethic. If he can satisfy Jerry in that regard, I think he will get more minutes. And Jerry just might have to play him in the beginning of the season because it's doubtful Memo will be able to play big minutes, if he is able to play at all.

So, Fes, if you're reading this, get to work!
 
S2, your points are noted. However, a player, especially a young player, can't be played on pure talent and ability alone, even if it seems evident that it's for the immediate good of the team. The chemistry of the entire team can be put at risk, damage irreparable.
 
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