Durant benched, steak ends

[Fabtrey]

only way to stop KD is to rough him up. make him feel the pain. that's the only way. like prime durk, KD can simply shoot over anybody. and unlike dirk, kd has quickness and can drive to the hoop. dude's length is insane.

kd is making bron's peak normal. kd is just about to enter his prime. that's a scary thought.

 

[Hotdog]

and hakeem owned shaq.


so wilt > kareem > hakeem > shaq ?


and what nostalgia? i'm only in my mid 30's. i never saw wilt play live. but i did see kareem vs. hakeem many times. my pop was lakers fan.

basically wilt would look like roided gobert. 1/2 inch taller than 7ft 1/2 inch gobert. he was naturally thick boned. imagine what today's training would do to him.

i mean he already had natural God given athleticism

i can't imagine what he would do in this center less era.

I am just a little skeptical about his greatness. Everything is over exaggerated.

Supposedly he could bench 500 pounds and he killed a mountain lion with his bare hands.

There's not a chance he did either.

If he played today, at best, he would be as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem. No more though.

 

[Fabtrey]

i don't believe the mountain lion crap. but it's feasible. myth didn't say he killed a siberian tiger. small female mountain lion can be slightly bigger than german shep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar
Females typically weigh between 29 and 64 kg (64 and 141 lb), averaging 42 kg (93 lb).

if a female 90lb mountain lion saw 300lb 7ft 1 big dipper, i tend to think she would just run away. i doubt she will attack such a huge creature unless she is starving to death.

but yeah, i don't really believe this story. this to me is like hearing all those crazy andre the giant story.



as far as bench press goes

this 59 year old wilt supposedly maxed 465lb.

judging by his biceps, he did regularly work out after he retired.

this is 49 year old wilt next to 37 year old arnold

arnold is a known 500lb bench presser. most heavyweight bodybuilders are. could wilt who is supposed to be one of the strongest basketball player ever lived bench close to 500lb? maybe. these giants have long arms so that doesn't help, but they also do have animal like strength(shaq, andre the giant, wilt, etc, etc)


and these are facts
1. wilt did compete in track & field
2. played against many great centers and dominated them
3. clinically measured and weighed. legit 7ft 1. 7ft 8 wingspan
4. played in a poor condition (awful shoes, long bus trips, lack of strength/conditioning, medicine, diet, etc, etc)
5. unmatched endurance - wilt avg 45.8 minutes entire career. one year he played 48+ minutes. this is something no other current centers can do. this to me is the most shocking stat of all time. ALL TIME. phil jackson said Shaq never was as athletic as wilt ever was. and shaq never had wilt's endurance. shaq was just too heavy in his peak playing at over 330lb+.

no matter how you view him, wilt is a transcendent physical freak.

this picture got to be one of the most iconic picture of all time

 

[Fabtrey]

lakers wilt was over 300lb. this is how wilt looks next to young shaq

just look at wilt's massive shoulder. wilt's shoulder makes dwight's should look rather normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2N4a9oO118&feature=player_embedded



very interesting scale. wilt's competition in 60's.

yes, unseld was 6ft 7 1/2 barefoot, but look how thick he was. basically he was bigger charles barkley. he would be listed at 6ft 9.

and bill russell. wilt's nemesis.

russell was 6ft 9 skinny center!! he is barely taller than today's small forward!! he was a midget!! look how skinny he was!! he would get bullied in today's nba!!
lol, actually that's exactly what colin cowherd said other day on bill russell. 'he was ben wallace sized!' 'he would get pushed around!'



anyway no matter how you slice it, wilt was a transcendent talent.

that young kareem in today's NBA would not lose an mvp to bron or KD. he would be so dominant in this centerless era. hibbert? lol. howard? lol. brook lopez? oh wait. he is out for season. noah? lol who else?

oh wait! gobert!

seriously, ask young hakeem who ran like gazelle about how awesome kareem really was.

and that kareem was old. like KG in his last leg kinda old.

 

[Fabtrey]

I am just a little skeptical about his greatness. Everything is over exaggerated.

Supposedly he could bench 500 pounds and he killed a mountain lion with his bare hands.

There's not a chance he did either.

If he played today, at best, he would be as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem. No more though.

offensively - i have no idea. if we transport same exact wilt from 60's then he will be limited to maybe around 25pt a game. but if he was born in 1972 like shaq then he would've been exposed to better basketball, coaching, and better overall strength/stamina training. so i truly believe wilt can avg over 30 in today's game for certain teams

defensively - this is no comparison. bring 60's wilt and he will win DPOY every year by large margin. wilt avg 45.8 min for his career. endurance comparison between wilt and shaq is significant. wilt could run up and down the court all day. and 60's basketball wasn't slow paced. i don't care if the competition was inferior. running around every night for 48 minutes in that awful shoes after bus trip after bus trip is not healthy. there will never be another 7ft giant to run like wilt without getting tired. and wilt was a willing defender. he loved to play defense. shaq can be very lazy on D. we all know how freaky shaq was. but we also know how shaq didn't maximize his potential.

 

[BTP]

Can't believe I'm the only one noticing this:

 

[Hotdog]

lakers wilt was over 300lb. this is how wilt looks next to young shaq

just look at wilt's massive shoulder. wilt's shoulder makes dwight's should look rather normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2N4a9oO118&feature=player_embedded



very interesting scale. wilt's competition in 60's.

yes, unseld was 6ft 7 1/2 barefoot, but look how thick he was. basically he was bigger charles barkley. he would be listed at 6ft 9.

and bill russell. wilt's nemesis.

russell was 6ft 9 skinny center!! he is barely taller than today's small forward!! he was a midget!! look how skinny he was!! he would get bullied in today's nba!!
lol, actually that's exactly what colin cowherd said other day on bill russell. 'he was ben wallace sized!' 'he would get pushed around!'



anyway no matter how you slice it, wilt was a transcendent talent.

that young kareem in today's NBA would not lose an mvp to bron or KD. he would be so dominant in this centerless era. hibbert? lol. howard? lol. brook lopez? oh wait. he is out for season. noah? lol who else?

oh wait! gobert!

seriously, ask young hakeem who ran like gazelle about how awesome kareem really was.

and that kareem was old. like KG in his last leg kinda old.

So according to that picture...

Lebron is only 6'8" with shoes on

Kevin Love is only 6'8" with shoes on

Dwight is only 6'9" with shoes on


Do you believe that is their true height?

 

[Hotdog]

Btw, it would be very easy to make that picture look however you want it to with photo shop. That ball doesn't prove anything. You can easily stretch or shrink a person without messing with the size of the ball.

 

[Fabtrey]

Lebron was officially measured at 6ft 7 1/4 in the predraft
Kevin durant was officially measured at 6ft 9 in the predraft
Blake griffin was officially measured at 6ft 8 1/2 in the predraft
kevin love was officially measured at 6ft 7 3/4 in the predraft

must be a slightly bad angle. but you can directly compare dudes standing side by side. KD always had 2inches on bron.

it's pretty consistent. KD has 2 inches on bron. if bron is full 6ft 8, then KD must be full 6ft 10. maybe even taller.

with 6ft 11 dirk

is dirk 7ft? i doubt he is legit 7ft.

none of these pictures prove anything.

1. players can grow. there isn't much evidence of bron growing though
2. footwear. i would say difference could be as much as 1/2 inch. lebron x with size 16 most likely will give you 1 1/2 inch lift.

but i have no reason to believe these measurements are inaccurate.

and that scale( i didn't make it) is pretty accurate.

1. players are scaled. (unseld is scaled at 6ft 7 next to dwight at 6ft 9. obviously these are scaled as barefoot measurement. )
2. basketball is also scaled. (it's just an additional effort to make everything as accurate as possible)

and both match. i mean it's not scientific because of postures, but still it's pretty accurate. that us olympic pic is pretty much inline with players predraft measurement(remember not all of them are measured - for ex. kobe, 6ft 4 3/4)


and wilt is confirmed 7ft 1. there are some pictures with 60 year old wilt and young shaq. they are similar in height.

https://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg[img]
(not a good angle, and i'm not sure how old shaq here was. probably senior in high school or freshman in college)

kareem was a tall ****
[img]https://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-484095-kareem-abdul-jabbar-shaq-psa-graded-1992-classic-4-card-hc-aa1ufr3fvr.jpg

next to joakim noah. noah is a barefoot. but kareem is a grandpa who slouches. kareem was listed at 7ft 2. he may as well be 7ft 3.


IMO, wilt really was a super freak like how shaq was a super freak. kareem was a tall skilled athletic dude. any of these 2 would dominate this era. yes, the era has changed and like RBs in NFL, centers role has diminished. but it's because we lack great centers. when shaq was doing his thing, nobody could stop him. even Yao who was just too tall made a mockery out of guys like dwight.

bottom line, 60's and 70's lacked skilled 2s and 3s, but they didn't lack skilled centers. and centers played like centers. you'll never see centers shooting jumpers. almost never.

 

[Fabtrey]

and about kevin love


with a tweener we all love to hate

angle isn't perfect, but love isn't that much taller. williams was measured at 6ft 7 1/4.


i have no reason not to believe love is 6ft 7 3/4 barefoot.

 

[Fabtrey]

So according to that picture...

Lebron is only 6'8" with shoes on

Kevin Love is only 6'8" with shoes on

Dwight is only 6'9" with shoes on


Do you believe that is their true height?

according to that picture dwight is 6ft 9 barefoot. and he is.

hakeem was 6ft 10. and sampson never was 7ft 4. he was 7ft 2. mark eaton said he was no way near 7ft 4.

with 6ft 9(listed) mitch cupchak

basically kareem & wilt would dwarf howard.

and out of all pictures, this is probably the most picture there is.

yao 7ft 6
wilt 7ft 1 and change
shaq 7ft 1
chandler 6ft 11 1/2
mcgee 6ft 11
howard 6ft 9 (at age 18)
tay 6ft 8
boozer 6ft 7 3/4
bron 6ft 7 1/4 (at 18)
melo 6ft 6 1/4 (at 19)
kobe 6ft 5

etc, etc.


yes, these players can grow. but obviously dwight didn't grow. not all all.

 

[Hotdog]

Lebron was officially measured at 6ft 7 1/4 in the predraft
Kevin durant was officially measured at 6ft 9 in the predraft
Blake griffin was officially measured at 6ft 8 1/2 in the predraft
kevin love was officially measured at 6ft 7 3/4 in the predraft

must be a slightly bad angle. but you can directly compare dudes standing side by side. KD always had 2inches on bron.

it's pretty consistent. KD has 2 inches on bron. if bron is full 6ft 8, then KD must be full 6ft 10. maybe even taller.

with 6ft 11 dirk

is dirk 7ft? i doubt he is legit 7ft.

none of these pictures prove anything.

1. players can grow. there isn't much evidence of bron growing though
2. footwear. i would say difference could be as much as 1/2 inch. lebron x with size 16 most likely will give you 1 1/2 inch lift.

but i have no reason to believe these measurements are inaccurate.

and that scale( i didn't make it) is pretty accurate.

1. players are scaled. (unseld is scaled at 6ft 7 next to dwight at 6ft 9. obviously these are scaled as barefoot measurement. )
2. basketball is also scaled. (it's just an additional effort to make everything as accurate as possible)

and both match. i mean it's not scientific because of postures, but still it's pretty accurate. that us olympic pic is pretty much inline with players predraft measurement(remember not all of them are measured - for ex. kobe, 6ft 4 3/4)


and wilt is confirmed 7ft 1. there are some pictures with 60 year old wilt and young shaq. they are similar in height.

https://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg[img]
(not a good angle, and i'm not sure how old shaq here was. probably senior in high school or freshman in college)

kareem was a tall ****
[img]https://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-484095-kareem-abdul-jabbar-shaq-psa-graded-1992-classic-4-card-hc-aa1ufr3fvr.jpg

next to joakim noah. noah is a barefoot. but kareem is a grandpa who slouches. kareem was listed at 7ft 2. he may as well be 7ft 3.


IMO, wilt really was a super freak like how shaq was a super freak. kareem was a tall skilled athletic dude. any of these 2 would dominate this era. yes, the era has changed and like RBs in NFL, centers role has diminished. but it's because we lack great centers. when shaq was doing his thing, nobody could stop him. even Yao who was just too tall made a mockery out of guys like dwight.

bottom line, 60's and 70's lacked skilled 2s and 3s, but they didn't lack skilled centers. and centers played like centers. you'll never see centers shooting jumpers. almost never.

I dont doubt that any of those players from previous eras, we are talking about were great. I dont doubt that Wilt was a beast and was just as big as Shaq.

What I do doubt is that they could put up the same numbers in the current era.

Wilt would be very similar to Shaq in dominance. But neither Russell or Wilt would average 20+ rebounds a game. Or Wilt wouldn't score a 100 points. Pretty much none of Wilts statical accomplishments would happen.

These guys werent supermen. They played in a league that wasnt ready for them. You could say they were ahead of their time or something. But they werent light years ahead of the talent today. And thats just the bigs. The guards weren't ahead of their time.

IMO, the skill of the game has improved. The bodies are the same. Guys werent taller back then, they just had to be less skilled. There are all sorts of 7 footers today that cant see the court because they arent skilled enough. I think those same players would probably have a better chance of playing back then. Athleticism is slighty better today because more people work on it, instead of just dont thinking its a gift. More guys have great verticals. Instead of it just being isolated to a few.