Evaluating the Core 5 -- What influence does Corbin Have?

[Getting Traded]

I really believe that we can't give a fair evaluation of the Core 5 until we get another coach. Corbin is a huge problem. Because he plays vets who have no business playing like Beans over Gobert, he saps confidence and makes it more difficult for them to get comfortable when they get time on the floor. The uncertainty about minutes, the changing strategies because of Corbin's indecisiveness and inexperience, and his inability to communicate with them about their roles and what they are supposed to do, makes it difficult to play for him. I really think Hayward is suffering the most from this because he's being relied on the most. But all the young guys are having their ups and down, I think in large part, because of Corbin's inconsistency and baffling rotations.

Yes, we want to tank, but let's get rid of Corbin and get a temporary guy -- not Lowe -- who will be required to play the young guys. And then in the off-season get an experienced coach with a good track record. There are plenty of good coaches out there. Lionel Hollins is one that comes to mind, and he is looking for a head coaching position.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The problem isn't the rotations, it's the players. Unless you have some insight on how he's not utilizing his players strengths correctly or strengthening their weaknesses, then this should be the last post on this issue.

 

[fishonjazz]

The problem isn't the rotations, it's the players. Unless you have some insight on how he's not utilizing his players strengths correctly or strengthening their weaknesses, then this should be the last post on this issue.

My god.
There have been soooooo many posts about exactly what you are asking for.
Sigh

 

[NUMBERICA]

My god.
There have been soooooo many posts about exactly what you are asking for.
Sigh

Are there? Or is it just a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacking? Or worse; is it more of the rotational belly-aching listed above? Because that is all I've seen.

I say all of this at the risk of committing the most indefensible crime on this board: being a Croban apologist. I assure you, it is perfectly possible that Corbin isn't the answer and the team is also not good. It takes both to get to the bottom.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The problem isn't the rotations, it's the players. Unless you have some insight on how he's not utilizing his players strengths correctly or strengthening their weaknesses, then this should be the last post on this issue.

I usually like your posts and value your opinion, but I don't think you could be more wrong. This team has talent, but is a total mess because the young guys have been completely mismanaged for years. And the scary part is that even after most of the team's veterans have been let go, he's still doing it. I think that it's a waste of time to even try to evaluate what they have while he's still the head coach.

It's more than just rotations. There's no clear vision on offense or defense. He doesn't seem to have a good grasp on player development. Motivation and support is lacking. He's a nice guy, and by all accounts he was a decent assistant coach. . . but he's one of (if not the absolute) worst head coaches in the league. Replacing him with a better coach will go miles towards improving this team.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I usually like your posts and value your opinion, but I don't think you could be more wrong. This team has talent, but is a total mess because the young guys have been completely mismanaged for years. And the scary part is that even after most of the team's veterans have been let go, he's still doing it. I think that it's a waste of time to even try to evaluate what they have while he's still the head coach.

It's more than just rotations. There's no clear vision on offense or defense. He doesn't seem to have a good grasp on player development. Motivation and support is lacking. He's a nice guy, and by all accounts he was a decent assistant coach. . . but he's one of (if not the absolute) worst head coaches in the league. Replacing him with a better coach will go miles towards improving this team.

Care to clarify what SPECIFICALLY he is doing wrong? Maybe it's hard to have a vision when your players aren't very good and you don't have a ballhandler.

Anyone can see that that Jazz aren't coached particularly well, but they aren't a good team. If they were, a rookie PG that shoots <%40 from the field and doesn't get to the line wouldn't make so massive an effect on the team.

And because it apparently requires an infinite amount of reinforcement, I am not saying Corbin is a particularly good coach.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Do the players ever share any accountability?

I think and all know that Corbin sucks.

But what about the players?

Kanter looks slower and dumber than ever. Is it Corbin's fault that he offense fouls every time he sets a pick? Is it his fault he either doesn't jump inside or pass the ball out of triple teams? Is it Corbin's fault that kanter looks as interested at playing defense as boozer or big al?

Favors has struggled at times to finish inside. For a stretch of games there he looked completely MIA. Blame Corbin?

Burks is an idiot. Sometimes, he makes good plays. Most of the time, he's playing selfish ball forcing things 1 on 5. He has yet to play defense. He can't shoot from the outside yet doesn't have PG skills. He's a "tweener" for SGs.

Hayward? Is mentally weak and has struggled with his shot. He tries to take over in the 4th but cannot.

Burke? Since we are attributing everyone's failures on Corbin likewise can we attribute Burke's successes to Corbin? Or, in our hatred of Corbin, Are all of Burke's successes because of himself? What a sweet game! When players play well, it's because they are good. When they play bad, it's all on the coach.

The truth is, our c5 isn't that talented. Nor do they fit together other than Burke and Favors.

 

[Doublea]

The coach is a scapegoat for us fans, it's one piece that can easily be fired and then have a new one hired. We don't want to see our players doing bad, we want them to achieve a lot more, and mostly because we used high draft picks on them. So yes I think Corbin is a terrible coach, and yes I think the core 5 could really benefit from a smarter head coach. This is a lost seasons, so why are we putting Biedrins (who will probably net us nothing) for Gobert who we just drafted and who needs experience on the court, not on the bench. I also don't like Corbins philosophy that you earn minutes and get benched when a mistake has happened. How has Lucas and Jefferson earned minutes? Make the young guys learn from mistakes and keep playing, then when rewatching film show them what they need to do. I'm pretty certain Corbin makes his rotations before games starts and pays no attention to what is happening during the game as well, he'll take out guys that are hot and sub random rotations in.

If any of this made sense, then that's my point...

 

[♪alt13]

Hayward iso is an example

That is corbins decision and has been hilarious to watch. Either corbin is in on the tank or is a bad coach, I don't see another conclusion.

 

[nateboz]

Any person who watches the Jazz, and says Corbin isn't a GIGANTIC failure and a major reason for the regression of the youth. Is either 1 an Antagonist. 2 not watching them.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If you think that the only thing separating The Four or Five from superstardom is a coach with a winning record with TEH WORST VETS IN TEH UNIVRESE, then I have a tonic to sell you.

 

[Doublea]

If you think that the only thing separating The Four or Five from superstardom is a coach with a winning record with TEH WORST VETS IN TEH UNIVRESE, then I have a tonic to sell you.

I don't really think any of us have said that our players will be super stars, or that Corbin is holding them back from being super stars. He is though making them worse imo. He is taking confidence away, not building chemistry, and I don't think he's a good person to have in a locker room.