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jazznik said:
I think Ainge is targeting young players who had bad years in hopes that they are undervalued and can really improve. Sometimes it works (Lauri, Sexton), sometimes it really doesn't (THT) and sometimes they show some improvements but nothing special (Collins). It's just a way to invest the cap space of a rebuilding team for profit. I am OK with that.
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Lauri and Sexton were apart of something much bigger and not comparable to THT and Collins deal. I am fine doing deals like the THT and John Collins deals… but all the “profit” on those deals is generally coming on the buy side. So negotiate harder or pass and find another deal. The THT deal was a fail and Collins is underwater imo. Tough to profit in a deal when you buy in higher than you should.
 
I’ll ask another way. John Collins is an unrestricted FA… how much money/years is he getting?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Is John Collin’s value higher than last year. I understand people saying we bought low on Collins because his price before trade seemed higher but I’d argue his value currently is lower (we’d have to add something to dump him) so I’d say we bought high on Collins.

Like if a stock goes from 30 to 25 and you buy it at 25 but now it’s worth 20… can you keep saying you bought low?
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And this doesn’t even factor in the cost of having John Collins on your team. Which has proven to be a really horrible experience. I was in the camp of it being a “low risk high reward” move that I liked. Major L taken on that one.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
3/45ish
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Hearsky said:
Two years, $20m total. Team option on the 2nd year. I think he could have got 3/45 fully guaranteed last year. I think this year proved it wasn't the organization holding him back.
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I think this is the ballpark. I’d say it’s likely 3/40 with a team option on third year. Something based on about the MLE for 2-3 years. So 2/56 is pretty negative… by about 20M. We took him into space when he had 3/80… we gave up Rudy’s 7M or whatever but clearly we bought high. It was lower than peak value but we still bought way too high and the Hawks were the ones with urgency. We absolutely should have waited them out and make them add a pick.

THT same deal.
 
homeytennis said:
In hindsight the Jazz probably would have been better off keeping Gay and letting his deal expire. Collins ended up using valuable minutes that could have gone to Tay Henny.
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Gee I wonder who threw a tantrum when the jazz made that trade?
fishonjazz said:
Sounds about right.

What is his current deal with the jazz?

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Pretty sure it’s 25million a year somewhere around that.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
And this doesn’t even factor in the cost of having John Collins on your team. Which has proven to be a really horrible experience. I was in the camp of it being a “low risk high reward” move that I liked. Major L taken on that one.
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Me too. I hated the trade when it happened. Then talked myself into thinking it was a great trade.



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jazznik said:
Here are players making about 15 million this season: Bullock, Strus, KCP, Kennard, Dort, LeVert, Valanciunas, Huerter. I think it could be argued that Collins is more valuable than a typical 15 million player.
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Ya john collins at 15 million? Thumbs up. John collins at 25 million (current)? Thumbs down.
 
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