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I think this is the ballpark. I’d say it’s likely 3/40 with a team option on third year. Something based on about the MLE for 2-3 years. So 2/56 is pretty negative… by about 20M. We took him into space when he had 3/80… we gave up Rudy’s 7M or whatever but clearly we bought high. It was lower than peak value but we still bought way too high and the Hawks were the ones with urgency. We absolutely should have waited them out and make them add a pick.

THT same deal.
again we need salary to send back during trades. y'all are freaking out about nothing. This is a far less ****** move than looking at our PG rotation and keeping THT instead of sending away NAW to the Wolves (criticized it then, and I'm vindicated with every passing month)

George W
 
again we need salary to send back during trades. y'all are freaking out about nothing. This is a far less ****** move than looking at our PG rotation and keeping THT instead of sending away NAW to the Wolves (criticized it then, and I'm vindicated with every passing month)

George W
Sending naw AND Conley to the team whose future picks we own was so dumb and unnecessary

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No interview because there is nothing to say. 8th and 9th picks no stars no future. We are stuck for years to Come. Who was against tanking for Wamby??
 
No interview because there is nothing to say. 8th and 9th picks no stars no future. We are stuck for years to Come. Who was against tanking for Wamby??

So you were going to jettison Laurie to strain for a 25% chance at getting him?

What was your plan to up the odds, ie outsmart the NBA?
 
So you were going to jettison Laurie to strain for a 25% chance at getting him?

What was your plan to up the odds, ie outsmart the NBA?
Jettison Conley and Clarkson doe. Sit Lauri, sexton etc sometimes when they don't really need to sit. You know, like we literally just did. We were the worst team in the league this season since the trade deadline. WITH a healthy Lauri markennan on the team

Tell Kessler he has to shoot 5 threes per game.

Play tht 40 minutes per game at point guard.

This is the way (should have been the way anyways)



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Here are players making about 15 million this season: Bullock, Strus, KCP, Kennard, Dort, LeVert, Valanciunas, Huerter. I think it could be argued that Collins is more valuable than a typical 15 million player.
I’d take 5 of those guys over John. I’d take every one of those contracts over John’s. Bullock JV and Kennard were expiring deals.

He is not more valuable than the typical 15M player.
 
again we need salary to send back during trades. y'all are freaking out about nothing. This is a far less ****** move than looking at our PG rotation and keeping THT instead of sending away NAW to the Wolves (criticized it then, and I'm vindicated with every passing month)

George W
Not freaking out but there are lots of different and better ways to get salary for trades. If the argument is “we need his salary to reach the floor to trade in 2 years” then you already lost.
 
So you were going to jettison Laurie to strain for a 25% chance at getting him?

What was your plan to up the odds, ie outsmart the NBA?
He never said that.

But in all fairness to the jazz. No one thought Lauri would be that good. Next thing you know the jazz are 10-3 in first place. If the jazz had known what they had before the season started they may have made some more tanking moves.
 
Not freaking out but there are lots of different and better ways to get salary for trades. If the argument is “we need his salary to reach the floor to trade in 2 years” then you already lost.
not saying that we need it to reach the floor, was moreso implying for matching salaries in trades for players -- I just know you've complained about this trade on a nearly weekly basis for at least a year and imo it's not deserving of that level of ire

- George
 
Interesting... it sounds like Key is not the chosen one... yet. It sounds like Lauri will be sticking around. It sounds like we will pursue big trades but they may not happen.

I'm going to stick with my prediction that this could be a really interesting offseason but likely ends up a boring dud that frustrates people.
I get it that he's shown some flashes, but I have no idea how anyone can be confident he's the chosen one after this type of rookie year. I'm not saying it was a bad season for him... he got to play a lot and he got a lot of chances to test himself and see where he needs to improve in the off-season. But lets not act like he had a Donovan Mitchell type of rookie season. He had worse rookie season than Kessler had last year for example and we all see how his second year went. Improvement is not guaranteed for anybody and Keyonte will need A LOT of improvement and much better consistency in order to be a starting guard for a good team(let alone contending team). Just my 2 cent...
 
DA's comments on Edey were awesome. Hit the nail on the head. Sounds like NBA teams are as conflicted as we are.

Hands down the most polarizing prospect I can remember. Open and shut best player in the country in college with a completely opaque NBA future.
At least we know whose decision it is when/if we draft him.
 
I get that not everything can go your way….but I am not glazing a GM because he said we almost did something and that’s why our situation was bad. It’s an eloquent way of saying we tried, failed, and had to pivot. It happens….doesn’t change the fact that it was a failure. It doesn’t really matter if the moves would have made more sense had you been able to execute a move that didn’t happen.
Especially since we don't even know what the alternative path was and how it would have worked... you are leaving a ton of things to the imagination of the fans to fill in as an alternative reality.
 
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