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utahjazz107

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From what I have heard Jefferson and Harris for Gasol looks attractive to Lakers fans as well as Jazz fans.

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=brpuweb

PLUS Detroit gives us their 9th overall pick in exchange for a future 2013 draft pick.

Now we sign Nash. With the Cap space we have left from expiring contracts (Miles, Howard) and the 4 million dollars cap space we save from this trade, we use our TPE and 2nd rounder to trade for Anthony Morrow since the Nets are desperate to clear cap space. Then we draft Marshall or Lillard at 9.


PG: Nash/Marshall(Lillard)/Watson
SG: Stuckey/Burks
SF: Hayward/Morrow/Carroll
PF: Favors/Evans
C: Gasol/Kanter

Nash gives us our pass first PG, Stuckey gives us the go to scorer we haven't had, Hayward is a great play maker, Gasol gives us a good high post passer and Favors is just a monster. Not to mention, Evans gets more minutes at the PF (hope he can bulk up a little this offseason) and we are able to draft Marshall/Lillard. Stuckey will teach Burks how to become a better shooting guard. Stuckey and Gasol both come off the books right when Favors and Hayward contracts will require extensions.
 
utahjazz107 said:
From what I have heard Jefferson and Harris for Gasol looks attractive to Lakers fans as well as Jazz fans.

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=brpuweb

PLUS Detroit gives us their 9th overall pick in exchange for a future 2013 draft pick.

Now we sign Nash. With the Cap space we have left from expiring contracts (Miles, Howard) and the 4 million dollars cap space we save from this trade, we use our TPE and 2nd rounder to trade for Anthony Morrow since the Nets are desperate to clear cap space. Then we draft Marshall or Lillard at 9.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8K0bPc-BE
 
Pretty sure that there's another team in the NBA that would offer a better deal than Harris and Al. Pretty sure I would take someone else's trade for Gasol rather than Al and Harris. Pretty sure...
 
Weezur said:
Pretty sure that there's another team in the NBA that would offer a better deal than Harris and Al. Pretty sure I would take someone else's trade for Gasol rather than Al and Harris. Pretty sure...
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Rockets wouldn't offer Lowry and Kevin Martin (SG version of Big Al) for Gasol so I'm not sure about that one.
 
Interesting. In any trade scenario, there has to be some sort of accounting for a better backup PG, and this one gives us options. I'm a bit worried about Hayward at the 3 for rebounding purposes, and Locke said that his offensive numbers are way better with him playing the 2. Also, Stuckey's defensive Synergy numbers are lower than any player I have ever seen, ranked 423 in the NBA, and he's an average to poor three point shooter.

Kelly Scalletta (Bleacher Report, but featured writer) did a defensive study of the best PG's and SG's. Here is where Stuckey rated according to the defensive numbers (in his mind, he could be a lot better): https://bleacherreport.com/articles/813678-nba-power-rankings-defensively-ranking-every-starting-point-guard-in-the-nba/page/22
 
Yeah, but what if Indiana offers Roy Hibbert for Pau Gasol? Not saying they would, but man if I were the Lakers I would take that trade in a heartbeat.
There's tons of interesting moves that are much better than Al and Harris and lots of teams that need super skilled 7 footers like Gasol.
 
JJAS said:
Interesting. In any trade scenario, there has to be some sort of accounting for a better backup PG, and this one gives us options. I'm a bit worried about Hayward at the 3 for rebounding purposes, and Locke said that his offensive numbers are way better with him playing the 2. Also, Stuckey's defensive Synergy numbers are lower than any player I have ever seen, ranked 423 in the NBA, and he's an average to poor three point shooter.

Kelly Scalletta (Bleacher Report, but featured writer) did a defensive study of the best PG's and SG's. Here is where Stuckey rated according to the defensive numbers (in his mind, he could be a lot better): https://bleacherreport.com/articles/813678-nba-power-rankings-defensively-ranking-every-starting-point-guard-in-the-nba/page/22
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I think Stuckey is very underrated, he is a good passer and can definitely play PG when needed. Additionally, he would easily become to best scorer on the team and he can easily get to the line something that we desperately need. The addition of Morrow, Nash and Lillard would make it a good gamble because we wouldn't need many 3's from Stuckey not to mention he is getting better every year and still only 26

Who doesn't want to see this everytime we play Miami?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzJRt3Nc0

The guy even scored 40 on Rose, driving easily to the basket against one of the fastest PG's in the league if not the fastest.
 
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Ok have a couple questions honest questions

1st - what does pau bring that Jefferson doesn't?
2nd - why take 2 bad contracts and make it harder to sign our young guys?
3rd - with the trade there are a lot of "ifs" in getting Nash and marrow?
4th - how does moving Hayward to the 3 help the team?
5th - why give up all the depth in the front court and only bring back 1 front court player?
 
As long as fantasies involving Gasol/Nash are being discussed, here’s a much-too long explanation of mine:

a) Trade Millsap and Harris for P. Gasol (& hopefully Bell). Depends on Lakers prioritizing cap space in 2013 and figuring Millsap & Harris fit their team’s 2012-13 makeup better than other trade possibilities
b) Trade Jefferson to Cavs for #24 first-round pick (I prefer Jeff Taylor – hopefully similar to Kahwi Leonard minus some rebounding/length with slightly more athleticism/quickness). Cavs appear to have plenty of salary space and may be willing to try Jefferson out for a year rather than get another young player who was drafted relatively low. They certainly need an inside scorer.
c) Sign Nash and Kirilenko for 3-year deals at a combined salary of $18 million or less per year (it might be possible, as Nash seems to be signaling that he might go back to Phoenix for $20 million over 2 years, but would prefer a 3-year deal).
d) Re-sign DeMarre Carroll and Jeremy Evans for no more than $1.3 million each.
e) Let all other free agents go. Amnesty Bell if needed. Probably have to renounce TPE for salary cap purposes.
f) Fill additional roster spots with minimum salary guys.

Starters:
Gasol
Favors
Kirilenko
Hayward
Nash

First-line backups:
Kanter
Burks
Watson

Second-line backups:
Carroll
Evans
#24 Draft pick (such as Taylor)
2 minimum salary guys (or if we get lucky, #8 draft pick and 1 minimum salary guy)

Advantages:
1) Great passing – Favors may score 20 a game with all the easy looks he’ll get
2) 5-man offensive basketball – hopefully very high offensive efficiency – I think the lineup will keep all five players involved and motivated
3) Better 3-point shooting (both because of Nash’s shot and the passing of the new players)
4) High talent level 7 or 8 deep
5) Versatility – multiple players can play multiple positions if needed
6) Length, agility, much better defense – probably good enough to cover for Nash and then some. Corbin can more easily build a culture of defending with this group
7) Can fit the salary cap
8) 2-year window (Gasol’s contract) for championship. Of course, if we don’t think there’s championship potential in this lineup, there’s no reason to do anything like this.
9) Letting Gasol expire in 2 years, if need be, and then Nash/Kirilenko in 3 seems to fit window of accommodating increased salaries for our young 4, I think.
10) Good mix of veterans, youth
11) Puts players in their “proper roles.” No more worrying about how to cover for Jefferson’s defense, how Millsap and Favors can co-exist, whether Hayward will rebound as a full-time SF, etc. I think the pieces potentially fit together very well
12) Ideal for development of our young guys, in my view. Chance for very high-level competition without all the pressure on their shoulders. Learning from very intelligent, skilled players. They’ll have significant enough roles (esp. with Spur-like rest for the vets, as Cy suggests) to develop into the long-term future winning team we’re hoping for.

Possible disadvantages:
1) (Most significant): The plan doesn’t look good if all the major pieces don’t come together. And there’s no way to ensure free-agent signings (Nash) before the trades would need to be made. There’s no hedging with this plan, it’s a true gamble.
2) Fragility, both physical and mental. Kirilenko/Gasol seem to withdraw under some circumstances. Kirilenko will miss games. Gasol and Nash are old and may not have as much left in the tank as we’d hope. Is there enough toughness here? Will the quickness that I think still exists for Kirilenko/Nash/Gasol last for two/three years?
3) Depth. After top 7 or 8 players, very pedestrian talent. That works if deep bench players are rotated in games for short stints and used to maximize their top skills, but if more than one key player goes down, it would be hard to count on the deep bench for winning basketball.
4) Can Corbin coach this group effectively and create/modify a system that will maximize talents? (I happen to believe in Corbin generally, but championship aspirations would test him).
 
Rodney Stuckey just seems like a Alec Burks type of player to me. I would rather just stick with Burks and try to develop him along with a winning team than get a guy like Stuckey who has been on a losing team his whole career.
 
I actually think this is a good trade idea. People underestimate the need for LA to shed some salary. They're going to want to get some money off the books, if not to avoid the luxury tax hits that will be coming after next year, then to have options in FA with a good class in 2013. This trade gets $23MM off their books for the 2013 season.

Also, signing Gasol will not limit our ability to sign any of the young guys. If that is our priority then there's no issue as Gasol only has two years left.

I'm not sure I'm on board with Stuckey, but getting the #9 pick would probably persuade me to do it. Detroit is the opposite of us, they have a logjam in the backcourt, so it makes sense that we would be a trade partner and we could swap a big for a guard+#9.

I'm sure it's a little bit of a reach, but I must say it's not a bad trade idea.
 
My first reaction was that this lineup could be very good, but upon reflection I fear that the Jazz would end up spending too much money for too long on players who are past their prime.
 
Xthren said:
Ok have a couple questions honest questions

1st - what does pau bring that Jefferson doesn't?
2nd - why take 2 bad contracts and make it harder to sign our young guys?
3rd - with the trade there are a lot of "ifs" in getting Nash and marrow?
4th - how does moving Hayward to the 3 help the team?
5th - why give up all the depth in the front court and only bring back 1 front court player?
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1. Pau makes his teammates better, he is a better passer, more efficient scorer, just overall a better player than Jefferson
2. Doesn't matter it's not like Stuckey or Gasol have 5 year max deals, they come off the books right in time when we need the money
3. There are "ifs" with any trade scenario but I was just expanding on an earlier idea of getting Nash and Gasol, I think if we get Stuckey that would make Utah very attractive to Nash. The Nets want to sign D-Will, Gerald Wallace and trade for Dwight so trading Morrow would help open up some cap space
4. Hayward is fine at the 3, he is a natural 3 just a little bit undersized but he is long and athletic enough to play SF.
5. Gasol, Favors and Kanter is enough depth especially when we had no proven backcourt scorer. Insert Nash and Stuckey, now our backcourt would be MUCH better than before.
 
I'm kind of torn on Stuckey, but mostly disinclined. Low shooting percentage, but getting to FT line seems to make up for it. I agree with Cy that he duplicates what we hope Burks becomes. I don't think he helps defensively and probably not as a mentor to Burks. Seems to get majority of points unassisted, which would seem to work against what we'd be creating if we got Nash/Gasol. Already 26, without a career trajectory of much improvement.
 
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