Exum needs to play over Mack

[fgcamel]

Quin Synder: "I need to develop Dante Exum with rotation minutes"

Evil Quin Snyder: "No, play Shelvin Mack"

Evil Quin Snyder is just regular Quin Snyder

 

[FalseFlagg K]

But the first game back w/ Hill Exum was a part of a lineup that threw away a double digit lead.

dude go back and check the film of that game and then let me know what the score was when he left the court.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Quin Synder: "I need to develop Dante Exum with rotation minutes"

Evil Quin Snyder: "No, play Shelvin Mack"

lololol

 

[Mongoose]

No qualms with the rationale behind the decision, just didn't really like that Quin pretty much publicly threw him under the bus. He's such a unique project, it is going to really be the litmus test for Quin's player development rep how things pan out for the rest of the season. It's unlikely but won't look good if he gets a ridiculous offer than we aren't confident enough about him to match at the end of next year and then he goes somewhere else and explodes.

Nothing that I have seen suggests this. Not trying to call you out, but genuinely curious why you say this? What did I miss?

 

[andylarsen]

I read that article and it was interesting. One problem is that statistically Exum is playing better than Mack by almost every statistic out there individually, which was left out of this article.

I don't know if that's true. Let's check! (Note: there's a tiny image below here that you have to click on)



It doesn't seem like it's very true.

 

[andylarsen]

very arbitrarily selected cutoff point. I bet the choice had nothing to do with trying to support a point.



Small sample on/off numbers are not reliable.

1) SUPER arbitrarily selected cutoff point. Admittedly. But choose any cutoff point with Dante, and it's not great.
2) Agreed small sample on/off numbers aren't reliable as a predictor of long-term future success. But I think they're indicative of Exum's performance so far looking backwards, along with his other stats. I also think that looking at how Exum plays with the Jazz's other players (especially in apples to apples comparisons with Mack) eliminates one potential way small-sample on/off numbers can lie.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I don't know if that's true. Let's check! (Note: there's a tiny image below here that you have to click on)

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It doesn't seem like it's very true.

You're right normal stats are more split. Why did you choose to post the per 100 possesions? Do you think that is a better indication of a player over numbers or per 36? I meant to write advanced stats. Which were posted earlier such as PER, vorp, Ws and so on . Ill post them in a later post here in this thread.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Nothing that I have seen suggests this. Not trying to call you out, but genuinely curious why you say this? What did I miss?

you missed the fact that i'm indulging in an emotion based / hysterical sook about one of my aussie boys .... now if you'll just move aside i'd like to finish my bowl of sour grapes plz ... thnx

 

[Ron Mexico]

So I'll post again for [MENTION=498]andylarsen[/MENTION] advanced stats show exum has a better TS%, better rebounding in every way, better blocks in every way, better turnover ratio, better offensive win shares, better overall win shares, better VORP, better PER, Exums Offensive rating is much better per 100 possessions and his overall net rating is better, he has a better offensive box score plus/minus and overall for the same stat, getting to the rim more often, shooting better percentages at the rim and getting to the ft line more often.

Mack statistically is playing better defense but those stats are really skewed and not a good indication of an individual but of a unit playing together, he is better at long 2s which are a bad shot choice often, he is passing better but turning it over enough to negate that and slightly shooting the three better but most of that is because Exum has two bad games shooting threes before having his minutes reduced. So going forward it's hard to say Mack is currently playing better that is debatable but mostly that is based on passing and defense which seemingly are Exums strengths and given the minutes he should prove. I'm sure there are reasons to bench him. But those reasons are not cut and dry that Mack is playing better. If that was the case what about our 4th string guy Neto? He has played well in his minutes. Shouldn't that earn him more than Mack from that logic?

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[Isaiah 1:13]

I agree that Exum needs to play over Mack tonight. We're going to need his D against Harden. Of course some of those minutes will come at the two. For me it's a case by case situation. Mack does a little better job of running the offense currently but Exum plays the better D.

 

[fishonjazz]

you missed the fact that i'm indulging in an emotion based / hysterical sook about one of my aussie boys .... now if you'll just move aside i'd like to finish my bowl of sour grapes plz ... thnx

I love this post

 

[zbone]

My only concern is the Jazz may make the same mistake they did with Kanter when he did well and then got a series of DNP-CD's when Big Al returned from injury. I don't know if Exum is as fragile as Kanter so I really hope Quin knows what he is doing there.