Exum Update

[Ron Mexico]

Exum's best game all last year was against GS in the playoffs when he got Utah back into the game that up to that point was a blowout.When everyone wanted Exum to start the 2nd half and continue his 1st half play ,his reward was back to the corner and Shane Mack starting at PG and the rout was back on.
Now Mack is in Orlando ,signed for 6 million and playing very little .Now Orlando fanz are pissed because Orlando didn't pick up Mario Hezonja's contract for 5 million and he becomes and unrestricted FA AND he's playing really good BB now.Mack's money represents Hezonja being let go.
I'd love to see Utah get Hezonja and put him in with Exum(PG),DM(SG),Hezonja(SF),Ingles(PF),Gobert(C)

I wouldnt mind picking up Hezonja for really cheap, but he isnt playing that well and in no way do I think he could start for us next year. His 3 point shot is still off. This month he is shooting 25%, last month was 32%.

He has upside and maybe still turns into a good player, but he isnt right now. He is definitely not playing "really good BB now." There is a lot to be worried about with his game. He is an end of the rotation guy, that if you could sign him for really cheap on a 2-4 year contract then you could hope to develop him, that might be worth the risk.

 

[tleikheen]

Even though Jazz made the playoffs last year it was at the expense of the younger guys getting playing time for Diaw (gone from the NBA),Joe Johnson (likely traded or bought out ),Mack (at the end of Orlando's bench),Hill(gone to purgatory). What a mistake and the follow up is the Jazz are nosediving right now opposite of the playoffs.
Jazz look like a farmclub offering their young veterans up to the big leagues while looking for a new crop of young players to get ready for teams looking to make the playoffs.

 

[LoPo]

I wouldnt mind picking up Hezonja for really cheap, but he isnt playing that well and in no way do I think he could start for us next year. His 3 point shot is still off. This month he is shooting 25%, last month was 32%.

He has upside and maybe still turns into a good player, but he isnt right now. He is definitely not playing "really good BB now." There is a lot to be worried about with his game. He is an end of the rotation guy, that if you could sign him for really cheap on a 2-4 year contract then you could hope to develop him, that might be worth the risk.

I would rather pay Herzonja next year than Burks. We could probably get Herzonja for 2 years for what we are paying Burks for 2018-19.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Even though Jazz made the playoffs last year it was at the expense of the younger guys getting playing time for Diaw (gone from the NBA),Joe Johnson (likely traded or bought out ),Mack (at the end of Orlando's bench),Hill(gone to purgatory). What a mistake and the follow up is the Jazz are nosediving right now opposite of the playoffs.
Jazz look like a farmclub offering their young veterans up to the big leagues while looking for a new crop of young players to get ready for teams looking to make the playoffs.

Playing vets and getting to the playoffs didnt hurt the development of our younger players last year and winning was not at the expense of the young guys. It did not hurt Exum's development. If anything it helped him to get to the playoffs and experience that. It also helped him to see vets play, practice and perform in games.

The alternative is we played Exum and Lyles (our only real young guys last year) a lot more and miss the playoffs. Those guys are no better off for that. We still lose Hayward, we still (hopefully) trade Lyles and Exum still gets hurt and is the same place development wise or worse because he didn't get to experience playoffs and how to win a series.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would rather pay Herzonja next year than Burks. We could probably get Herzonja for 2 years for what we are paying Burks for 2018-19.

I would rather pay someone else. Also I think that is too much to pay Mario.

 

[tleikheen]

He has upside and maybe still turns into a good player, but he isnt right now. He is definitely not playing "really good BB now." There is a lot to be worried about with his game. He is an end of the rotation guy, that if you could sign him for really cheap on a 2-4 year contract then you could hope to develop him, that might be worth the risk.

Are you looking at stats or have you watched any of their games?I watch 3/4 teams on league pass all season unfortunately there like the Jazz ,nosediving to the lottery.All expected to be in the middle of trades.Hezonja is NOT at the end of the rotation as their season goes on and is exploding to the basket for big time throwdowns. He's turned the corner and that's why I'd love the Jazz to get him cheaply if they can. Send Burks for Hezonja and filler.

 

[tleikheen]

The alternative is we played Exum and Lyles (our only real young guys last year) a lot more and miss the playoffs. Those guys are no better off for that. We still lose Hayward, we still (hopefully) trade Lyles and Exum still gets hurt and is the same place development wise or worse because he didn't get to experience playoffs and how to win a series.

Talent will win playoffs 1st and foremost.Learning from *Vets* who are rentals doesn't teach you how to win or make the playoffs like playing through your mistakes on the court.
Whether we like it or not ,watching drafted Utah players excel on other teams and watching Utah hit the reset button under Snyder is becoming a concern.

If we got to see Hood ,Favors,and Burks get traded then I'd like to see Hezonja or a Bender type player come back in return.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Are you looking at stats or have you watched any of their games?I watch 3/4 teams on league pass all season unfortunately there like the Jazz ,nosediving to the lottery.All expected to be in the middle of trades.Hezonja is NOT at the end of the rotation as their season goes on and is exploding to the basket for big time throwdowns. He's turned the corner and that's why I'd love the Jazz to get him cheaply if they can. Send Burks for Hezonja and filler.

I have watched him a little bit. He does have some good drives. But he is really poor shooter right now (a big must for the Jazz on the wing) and plays little to no defense. He does have potential. I would just assume sign him as a UFA for cheap than trade for him right now. There are not any fillers that would be worth it for the Jazz to take back.

But if Hezonja was a part of a bigger trade then sure. I guess I would go for Burks and Rubio for Hezonja and Fournier. We would still have to resign Hezonja, which I am not sure we could or would offer enough that it is worth it for him or us.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Talent will win playoffs 1st and foremost.Learning from *Vets* who are rentals doesn't teach you how to win or make the playoffs like playing through your mistakes on the court.
Whether we like it or not ,watching drafted Utah players excel on other teams and watching Utah hit the reset button under Snyder is becoming a concern.

If we got to see Hood ,Favors,and Burks get traded then I'd like to see Hezonja or a Bender type player come back in return.

That is not true, it definitely helps teach you how to make the playoffs and win. Learning to practice and prep like an elite player helps you learn good habits. Young players learn a lot watching and being around good vets. JJ has been incredibly awesome for our team and young players. I trust Snyder knows what he is doing with Exum, who he talks about more than any other player and talks about his development. There are many ways to learn, some of those are playing and some of those are not.

For example Mitchell has learned a lot from JJ and others about how to eat properly and how important it is to take care of you body even at a young age. Most players dont start doing that until later in their career when they have to.

 

[LoPo]

I would rather pay someone else. Also I think that is too much to pay Mario.

That wasn't my point. I was saying I value him over Burks. Some on this forum keep talking about having to keep Burks if we trade Hood. I would trade both if we could replace Burks with a guy like Herzonja.

 

[ghsartin]

That is not true, it definitely helps teach you how to make the playoffs and win. Learning to practice and prep like an elite player helps you learn good habits. Young players learn a lot watching and being around good vets. JJ has been incredibly awesome for our team and young players. I trust Snyder knows what he is doing with Exum, who he talks about more than any other player and talks about his development. There are many ways to learn, some of those are playing and some of those are not.

For example Mitchell has learned a lot from JJ and others about how to eat properly and how important it is to take care of you body even at a young age. Most players dont start doing that until later in their career when they have to.

I'm not trying to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing, but I think that although you are theoretically right about Joe Johnson, you might be speculating quite a bit, since, for all we know, Mitchell already was quite mature when he arrived. And I'm saying that as someone who believed that Johnson would have a major impact, especially on Hood, since both play the same position and have somewhat similar bodies but it seems, unfortunatelly, that Hood has not picked a single move from Johnson during a season and a half, which is quite surprising, weird and puzzling.

 

[oneye]

Talent will win playoffs 1st and foremost.Learning from *Vets* who are rentals doesn't teach you how to win or make the playoffs like playing through your mistakes on the court.
Whether we like it or not ,watching drafted Utah players excel on other teams and watching Utah hit the reset button under Snyder is becoming a concern.

If we got to see Hood ,Favors,and Burks get traded then I'd like to see Hezonja or a Bender type player come back in return.

This is just wrong, don’t discredit what guys like Mitchell or Exum can learn from veterans. I think Donovan has learned a lot from Rubio, even with the struggle in Rubios play this season with the Jazz. At this point you absolutely want veterans teaching some of these guys. JJ is a liability on the court, but I think what guys like him do in teaching guys like Mitchell things is under appreciated. It helps when you have a guy like Donovan willing to listen and isn’t full of himself. This season, despite where guys go or who gets traded, will help Donovan long term, and even guys like Exum who hasn’t played. Veterans are an important part of the process with some of the guys we have now. Now, Donovan is Donovan and he is responsible most of all for everything he does, but guys adding to the perspective he has that have been through a long NBA career doesn’t hurt to have around.