Fainting Hillary

[Dr. Jones]

Omnia praesumuntur contra spoliatorem

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any President in history. And it's not criminals, but all undocumented immigrants. His administration even devised programs that specifically target children.

How Hispanics still support either party is amazing.

A large number of Obama's deportations are what used to be called "border stops." The Obama administration, unlike any administration before it, counts a denial of entry at the border as a deportation. It's impossible to compare the Obama numbers to other administrations because they changed the definitions of what they are counting.

 

[Red]

A large number of Obama's deportations are what used to be called "border stops." The Obama administration, unlike any administration before it, counts a denial of entry at the border as a deportation. It's impossible to compare the Obama numbers to other administrations because they changed the definitions of what they are counting.

Not saying this is not true, because I simply don't know, but a quick check brought me to this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

"President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."
Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Mass deportation would almost certainly happen. And a wall, although a lot more modest than proposed, would absolutely be constructed. Those things are relatively easy, and will appease his base without causing that big a backlash (who's talking about Obama's mass deportations?). Campaign promises are not empty, even if they're often unfulfilled.

Mass deportation would be relatively easy? I think the opposite. It would be virtually impossible.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Not saying this is not true, because I simply don't know, but a quick check brought me to this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

"President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."
Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."

It is very difficult to know exactly what is happening, but the high end Obama "deportation" numbers that are cited do include those who are denied entry. Here is an article that tries to explain the issues:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

 

[Stoked]

Mass deportation would be relatively easy? I think the opposite. It would be virtually impossible.

Easy or impossible depends on how willing he is to authorize the violating of freedoms (specifically search and seizure) and how willing the American people are to allow it.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Not saying this is not true, because I simply don't know, but a quick check brought me to this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

"President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."
Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."

The article you cited includes this quote farther on down the page:

That includes gang members, convicted felons or charged with "aggravated felony" and anyone apprehended at the border trying to enter the country illegally.

That seems to contradict the information in the quote you pulled from the same article. Very confusing.

 

[Stoked]

Not saying this is not true, because I simply don't know, but a quick check brought me to this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

"President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."
Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."

It is very difficult to know exactly what is happening, but the high end Obama "deportation" numbers that are cited do include those who are denied entry. Here is an article that tries to explain the issues:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

Either way the 2.9 million, which excludes denial of entry stops, exceeds other recent presidents. The point still stands even if the exact number isn't known. It is known to be higher than other recent presidents. This article talks about that.

I agree with Siro, how Hispanics support either party is a mystery to me.

 

[♪alt13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOEn0iBWWx0

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Easy or impossible depends on how willing he is to authorize the violating of freedoms (specifically search and seizure) and how willing the American people are to allow it.

Yeah. I think he would have to drag many people kicking and screaming from their homes, and I believe that if that happened a lot of people (including a sizeable percentage of those who currently think they're for it) would be against it.

 

[♪alt13]

Yeah. I think he would have to drag many people kicking and screaming from their homes, and I believe that if that happened a lot of people (including a sizeable percentage of those who currently think they're for it) would be against it.

We're already dragging people from their homes. ^see video

 

[Red]

The article you cited includes this quote farther on down the page:

That seems to contradict the information in the quote you pulled from the same article. Very confusing.

In reading those two paragraphs again, in the paragraph you mention, I think they are talking about convicted criminals who are caught trying to enter at the border. So, the first paragraph would be referring to people who were not criminals being sent back, but not counted as deportations. Criminals turned back are included among deportations. Not sure I am interpreting that correctly, however; just my best effort. I think the stat that says he has deported more then all 20th century Presidents combined might also override any inflation based on your own interpretation of counting everyone caught at the border and turned back.