Fake News

[Ron Mexico]

Mr. Mexico, how would you actually quantify this? I think it's pretty rational to state that old people are prone to believing b.s. emails that everyone forwards. Older people tend to want to conserve the life they once knew.

If you could measure that, how would you measure it against modern news that has a strict tendency to over exaggerate pretty much anything they can make headlines with? Younger, liberal minded folks tend to latch on to those, I think.

How do you quantify what is actually fake news and compare that to what is hype?

Some of it fits in both. Some of them classified it as articles with some false news or all false news. That is a pretty broad spectrum. However most of them are classify the game news as completely made up stories with no factual basis at all. Just made up story headlines and made up stories. Those are the concerning ones. Frankly I am less concerned about which side is reading them more. It is a problem for both sides. I am concerned that our society is believing these and sharing these 100 percent fake make made up stories. Facebook and social media has grown so large and so many people are relying on it for their information about the world. I think this election has shown that Facebook is influencing people in negative way for both sides.

 

[JazzGal]

I go back and forth on how much correcting I want to do on Facebook. I do point out the invalidity of the worst fake stories I see my friends share if I'm in the mood. Most of the time I decide to let them wallow in their incorrect beliefs, because no one likes to be proven wrong in public. Even though I try to research stuff before I share it, I'm sure I've passed on complete crap as well.

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[Ron Mexico]

I have not seen percentage figures yet. My guess is the number of eligible voters will be up and the percentage somewhat down.

Ive had a hard time finding any reliable source on those numbers.

I am also curious on a side note how many people voted for both Trump and Obama. I am also curious how many people who were eligible for both elections didnt vote and the voted for Trump. I have had no success finding that information. The only thing I have seen is where areas voted more one way or the other. Not actual people numbers who overlapped.

 

[LogGrad98]

I go back and forth on how much correcting I want to do on Facebook. I do point out the invalidity of the worst fake stories I see my friends share if I'm in the mood. Most of the time I decide to let them wallow in their incorrect beliefs, because no one likes to be proven wrong in public. Even though I try to research stuff before I share it, I'm sure I've passed on complete crap as well.

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I usually post a simple snopes link.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I usually post a simple snores link.

 

[LogGrad98]

Exactly!

Wait is that really you?

 

[Red]

Russian propaganda organs greatly assisted in the spread of fake news during the 2016 election. My experience with the reaction of people regarding foreign power interference in our election is that it was really no big deal. Most people I've talked to about this just shrug their shoulders about it. That continues to surprise me. At any rate, foreign interference was not limited to the Russians providing Wikileaks with material to use against Clinton. It also included spreading fake news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...3903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

 

[Red]

Trolling for Trump: How Russia is attempting to destroy our democracy...

https://warontherocks.com/2016/11/trolling-for-trump-how-russia-is-trying-to-destroy-our-democracy/

No biggie, lol....

 

[♪alt13]

Buzzfeed and john oliver reported that, I just quoted above. They did not say 2X I just did the math.

Neither candidate wasted their efforts in places that had no chance unless they had time or were close by. Both focused most of their resources on swing states. Voter turnout was very very low in California because their vote didnt matter. If their numbers were up to usual election this would have been even more of a discrepancy in the popular vote.

Conservative votes are more depressed in California than liberal ones for the same reason that liberal votes are more depressed in Utah than conservative ones. Despite being a big factor it doesn't all have to do with the presidential election. Unless a superstar like the Governator is running Cali is likely to have a dem for Governor and most offices will be dominated by dems. If Californians votes had mattered individually for the presidential election it seems to me that the gap between Trump and Clinton would have narrowed there not expanded. In a similar scenario in Utah it seems likely that democrats would have narrowed the vote gap.

If we look at swing states in this election, places where people feel that their vote carries weight in the presidential election, it is clear that Trump was able to motivate his supporters much more so than Clinton. Trump won swing states that could barely be called that. States that lean heavily toward the democrats. This turnout meant that the republicans were not only able to win the presidency but also both federal houses, and many local races that they may have otherwise lost.

Clinton supporters are looking at the national popular vote total that was gathered in a system in which it does not matter and drawing what I think are fanciful conclusions. The depressing truth may very well be that if we decided the POTUS election by national popular vote that Trump would have won anyway.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Conservative votes are more depressed in California than liberal ones for the same reason that liberal votes are more depressed in Utah than conservative ones. Despite being a big factor it doesn't all have to do with the presidential election. Unless a superstar like the Governator is running Cali is likely to have a dem for Governor and most offices will be dominated by dems. If Californians votes had mattered individually for the presidential election it seems to me that the gap between Trump and Clinton would have narrowed there not expanded. In a similar scenario in Utah it seems likely that democrats would have narrowed the vote gap.

If we look at swing states in this election, places where people feel that their vote carries weight in the presidential election, it is clear that Trump was able to motivate his supporters much more so than Clinton. Trump won swing states that could barely be called that. States that lean heavily toward the democrats. This turnout meant that the republicans were not only able to win the presidency but also both federal houses, and many local races that they may have otherwise lost.

Clinton supporters are looking at the national popular vote total that was gathered in a system in which it does not matter and drawing what I think are fanciful conclusions. The depressing truth may very well be that if we decided the POTUS election by national popular vote that Trump would have won anyway.

That might be true, it's hard to tell. Most polling numbers showed far more people who would have voted Clinton that didn't vote than Trump. But polling numbers have been a little off this year so who knows.

Either way this election showed how demotivating it is to live in a non swing state for voting.

 

[♪alt13]

That might be true, it's hard to tell. Most polling numbers showed far more people who would have voted Clinton that didn't vote than Trump. But polling numbers have been a little off this year so who knows.

Either way this election showed how demotivating it is to live in a non swing state for voting.

Yeah I don't know how it would go. How exactly that plays out in the POTUS election I think is anyone's guess.

I imagine that Cali would become more conservative while other states may become more liberal. This could end up being a good thing in its own right pulling us to the center resulting in more adult political dialogue or it could lead to the same sort of bitter deadlock we see in Washington becoming more prominent at the state level.