Faster than I predicted

[One Brow]

Wow.. whatever happened to freedom of religion (provided it doesn't harm others)???

Nothing. Why do you ask?

 

[The Midnight]

Nothing. Why do you ask?

Then why are pastors/ministers being made to do something that go against their beliefs?

 

[One Brow]

Then why are pastors/ministers being made to do something that go against their beliefs?

The same reason that county clerks or pharmacists are expected to. They are in a job serving the public. In this case, they own the business, but it is still a public business, not a religious endeavor.

 

[The Midnight]

The same reason that county clerks or pharmacists are expected to. They are in a job serving the public. In this case, they own the business, but it is still a public business, not a religious endeavor.

??? How is a church a business???

 

[One Brow]

??? How is a church a business???

It's not a church, it's a wedding chapel available for hire.

 

[The Midnight]

It's not a church, it's a wedding chapel available for hire.

Ahh ok... my bad I thought it was a church.

 

[Dr. Jones]

well that de-escalated quickly..

 

[Stifle Tower]

Wasn't this a public wedding chapel where the pastors happen to be Christian?

If so I do not see this as an attack on religion, as I do the Houston case Log mentioned. But I do not agree based on it's their business and they shouldn't be forced to do business with anyone they don't want to. But I'm in the distinct minority there.

I'm mad because these laws only pertain to homosexuals. What about the establishments that still have a "no-shirt, no shoes, no service" policy? That is discrimination against beer-bellied old men. How many of these guys do you see working out in the yard on a weekend? And when they need something from the hardware or garden store we expect them to dirty a shirt or take time out to shower? This is definite discrimination. In fact, extend the law to nudists.

 

[Gameface]

Couldn't they bring in a judge to do gay weddings if they don't want to be involved?

 

[TroutBum]

I hate it when I have to kind of be on your side. It's the lamest thing ever, and it makes me feel filthy... like the 10' pole I use on trout's mom. Luckily, I'm only kind of on your side.

There was no good, legal reason that gay marriage was illegal. And so it should be legalized. That being said, forcing any religion or institute to preform homosexual marriage against their will is just as wrong.

First of all, my mom has standards. Go look in the mirror, tubbo, you're at least a 20' pole kind of guy. As for your post, should we just start calling you One HottttDikkkk? That chapel is a business, not a church. I swear.

It's called pushing an agenda, bro.

hmmmmm. . . . . .

probably everybody except Trout does a little of that.

Uh... Even my agendas have an agenda. I am awesome though, so there's that. I guess.

Does anyone know exactly how the ordinance is worded?

Does it matter?

That idea makes me sick personally.

If you are a business open to the public, you better serve the public. Otherwise, don't open your business to the public.

Say there is a small town in the middle of nowhere that has a whopping one grocery store ( Burlington Colorado comes to mind). Let's also say the nearest grocery store after that one is 30 miles away. If the owner of that store hates gays and refuses to serve maybe the 1 or 2 gay guys in town, does that mean they now have to move our drive 30 miles for groceries? I doubt public pressure is going to shut the place down, and there probably isn't a good financial incentive to open another store.

So again, when you open a business to the public, serve the public.

Anyone who ever thinks that nobody ever changes their minds over a post on a message board or FB should take heed. I've long been of the same mind as Stroked (I should have known better), but in one post, Nate did what OneBlow has failed to do for the last who-knows how many ridiculous posts. Well said, Nathan, and thanks for the clarity.

Wow.. whatever happened to freedom of religion (provided it doesn't harm others)???

Dude, this is a big boy conversation that requires semi-coherent thought and reading. I'm pretty sure the UGLI forum is calling your name.

Ahh ok... my bad I thought it was a church.

Duuuuuuuur.

 

[LogGrad98]

Found this interesting:

https://acluidaho.org/issues/lgbt-equality/

From the site:

They do not require religious organizations or religious businesses or religious non-profits to comply.

So how do they define a religious "business"?

I cannot find the text of the actual NDO for Idaho City or Coeur D'Alene so it is hard to see how this is worded, but it sounds like the wedding chapel could be deemed to be a religious business and would then be exempt.

 

[TroutBum]

Found this interesting:

https://acluidaho.org/issues/lgbt-equality/

From the site:



So how do they define a religious "business"?

I cannot find the text of the actual NDO for Idaho City or Coeur D'Alene so it is hard to see how this is worded, but it sounds like the wedding chapel could be deemed to be a religious business and would then be exempt.

Even then, the Feds would overturn that **** in a hurry.