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Favors and Kanter's midrange shot

QuinSnydersHair said:
Kanter and Burke for Dragic and pick? Kanter is a big and can spread the floor which Phoenix would like. Burke could be a backup for them. We get a legit pg we sorely need.
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And they give up a pick? Dragic is valued a lot more than that.
 
Stifle Tower said:
But will you trade 3-PT shooting for dominant inside play and better rebounding? My whole point is people seem to think we HAVE to get rid of Favors or Kanter because they can't shoot the 3. That really isn't our problem. The problem is we have wings who aren't hitting their threes.

Kanter is great inside. He's a helluva rebounder. You take him outside and eliminate the offensive rebounding. The NBA is such a copycat league. Teams go to the stretch-4 because they don't have dominant bigs. If the Jazz can pound teams by dominating inside, it will be our inside game vs. others relying on 3PT'ers from their PF's. Maybe a guy like Griffin hurts us, but I'll take the inside game every time.
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How many people are talking about the scenario you're laying out? Almost nobody is saying we have to trade Kanter or Favors. And obviously nobody wants to trade Favors for a guy like Ryan Anderson, but floor spacing is important. If it wasn't, you could play guys like Deandre Jordon and Gobert together.
 
Hantlers said:
How many people are talking about the scenario you're laying out? Almost nobody is saying we have to trade Kanter or Favors. And obviously nobody wants to trade Favors for a guy like Ryan Anderson, but floor spacing is important. If it wasn't, you could play guys like Deandre Jordon and Gobert together.
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Nobody? There have been multiple threads on trading Kanter or Favors, especially given the emergence of Gobert. Multiple posters have expressed concern over the lack of spacing with Gobert and either Favors or Kanter on the court. The OP suggest Favors should extend his range out to the 3. I'm not arguing spacing isn't good to have. Pretty obvious you can't have Jordon/Gobert together. My argument is that we don't necessarily need a stretch-4 to be great. IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Nobody? There have been multiple threads on trading Kanter or Favors, especially given the emergence of Gobert. Multiple posters have expressed concern over the lack of spacing with Gobert and either Favors or Kanter on the court. The OP suggest Favors should extend his range out to the 3. I'm not arguing spacing isn't good to have. Pretty obvious you can't have Jordon/Gobert together. My argument is that we don't necessarily need a stretch-4 to be great. IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's.
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The poster was saying once they get their midrange down, they should try to extent their range out to the 3PT line. It's the logical move.

Expressing concern over the spacing with Gobert on the court is again, logical. Gobert can't make anything outside of a dunk, putting a player next to him that doesn't have some range results in a less effective offense. Again, simple logic.

And yes, there have been threads about trading players. It's a message board, this is what happens with crappy teams. Fans discuss trading players. And no, we don't need a stretch-4 to be great, but it would be easier to be great if Favors/Kanter can extend their range. Wanting them to just stay down low is a predominately stupid idea. Expand their game. Which Blake Griffin do you think the Clippers like more? The one that could only score off of dunks, or the one they have now? Maybe he just should have stayed down low, I mean, it worked for him.
 
Hantlers said:
The poster was saying once they get their midrange down, they should try to extent their range out to the 3PT line. It's the logical move.

Expressing concern over the spacing with Gobert on the court is again, logical. Gobert can't make anything outside of a dunk, putting a player next to him that doesn't have some range results in a less effective offense. Again, simple logic.

And yes, there have been threads about trading players. It's a message board, this is what happens with crappy teams. Fans discuss trading players. And no, we don't need a stretch-4 to be great, but it would be easier to be great if Favors/Kanter can extend their range. Wanting them to just stay down low is a predominately stupid idea. Expand their game. Which Blake Griffin do you think the Clippers like more? The one that could only score off of dunks, or the one they have now? Maybe he just should have stayed down low, I mean, it worked for him.
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Where did I ever say they should stay down low?
"IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's."

Kanter and Favors need to make sure they're hitting their midrange ****s before they try to add a 3PT shot. Right now, I see a lot of inconsistency. What works better? Gobert with a nifty wrap around or bounce pass to a cutting Kanter or Favors, or having Enes/Derrick standing out at the 3PT line. And when a shot goes up from Hayward, Favors or Burks, I'd much rather have the two bigs be around the basket with a chance at getting an offensive rebound. That's our strength; the Jazz bigs can kill the opponents on the boards and get a ton of 2nd-chance points.

By all means, the better the bigs can shoot, the better they are. Maybe even Gobert can develop a reliable 10-15 shot...eventually. But there are better ways to play to their strengths than by asking them to float out to the 3. Was Malone ever a 3PT shooter? Yet we never had spacing concerns with him.
 
Please show me where I'm saying either one should be sitting out at the 3 PT line. You're creating arguments in your head, again.
 
favors should improve his midrange first, he wont be a decent 3 pointer anyway so better if he just puts more effort on developing his midrange which could help team a lot.
 
Hantlers said:
Please show me where I'm saying either one should be sitting out at the 3 PT line. You're creating arguments in your head, again.
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The voices...the voices...

Again, I think we're pretty close to wanting the same thing, but maybe just misunderstanding each other.

Spacing...good. More spacing...more good.
Favors/Kanter being able to hit from 15-ft...Good. Favors and Kanter being able to hit from 20 or even beyond the arc...More better. But, not essential to Utah being great, especially if there are other 3PT shooters on the court along with 2 of those 3.
 
Stifle Tower said:
The voices...the voices...

Again, I think we're pretty close to wanting the same thing, but maybe just misunderstanding each other.

Spacing...good. More spacing...more good.
Favors/Kanter being able to hit from 15-ft...Good. Favors and Kanter being able to hit from 20 or even beyond the arc...More better. But, not essential to Utah being great, especially if there are other 3PT shooters on the court along with 2 of those 3.
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+1
if spacing is an issue you need shooters, and they are usually guards and SF's.
add one good shooting and defending SG to this team, which is an easier fix than to create one out of your PF's and C's
and bam!
you got yourself a "deadlier" combo; shooters and looters (=Favors, Go-bear and The Menace)
 
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