Favors and our offense

[Ron Mexico]

You have not explained anything about how it works with Favors and Rudy. Yeah, we lack postup scoring right now, but do we need it? Does it work with Rudy in there? Rudy cannot draw his man out of the paint ya know, making it harder for Favors as well. I doubt Favors will ever shoot the 3 as well as Boris and there is not evidence for it. And Favors is only a decent passer, nothing special.

Out of all the responses, no one has explained how Rudy and Favors can work well together on offense. All you guys are saying is that Favors has some good offense ( no argument) but not how he and Rudy can work together and how it complements the whole team. I am worried that two bigs in the paint will not work well.

Diaw does not draw his man out to the 3 point line either. Favors will draw his man out to deep twos and even out to the three point line on picks. Favors gives players a lot more options off of a pick. He can pick and pop, pick and roll and can even pass well to the corner three. If Favors is in a pick and roll he crashes very hard to the rim and draws the other big man over. This leaves Rudy wide open. On the pick and pop plays he draws attention and leaves Rudy more open for easy put backs. Favors is also a better rebounder than Diaw and will create more offensive possessions. Favors does not just hunker down in the paint. But when he does post up he will draw in the double team and leave Rudy or someone on the outside wide open. A good offense player is better spacing than a worse one. Gobert and Favors passed well to each other. Favors cuts very well and Gobert passed to him well last season.

Look at last year, Rudy and Favors played well and complimented each other on offense and defense.

 

[gregbroncs]

I think the biggest issue to me is that when Rudy leaves the floor teams attack the paint more. Favors can help eliminate this. Just because they are both on the team and both starting does not mean they will always be on the floor together. In an ideal world to me one of Favors or Gobert would always be on the floor. They they should spend a good amount of minutes on the floor without the other player. If they each play 32 minutes that means they can each play 16 minutes on the floor without the other player. I don't think they fit so poorly together that they hurt the offense. Especially if it's only for 16-20 minutes a game. Favors and Gobert do not occupy the same spots on the floor. Rudy sets screens and cuts to the basket down the lane, Favors occupies the post both low and high post and tends to cut more baseline. I find this an almost non issue.
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I however see no spot for Burks. I prefer the options we are currently playing and can't fathom where Burks is getting minutes from.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Rudy has been drawing multiple defenders around the paint for 10 games now. It almost looks like a sad game of musical chairs for his defenders. They can't stop him.

Adding an actual post player to the mix will certainly change things, but I'm not sure you are correct to infer that Favors presence will somehow sink the ship. No matter how good Rudy has been around the rim, Favors' offensive game is still far better than Gobert's.

 

[zman1527]

Diaw does not draw his man out to the 3 point line either. Favors will draw his man out to deep twos and even out to the three point line on picks. Favors gives players a lot more options off of a pick. He can pick and pop, pick and roll and can even pass well to the corner three. If Favors is in a pick and roll he crashes very hard to the rim and draws the other big man over. This leaves Rudy wide open. On the pick and pop plays he draws attention and leaves Rudy more open for easy put backs. Favors is also a better rebounder than Diaw and will create more offensive possessions. Favors does not just hunker down in the paint. But when he does post up he will draw in the double team and leave Rudy or someone on the outside wide open. A good offense player is better spacing than a worse one. Gobert and Favors passed well to each other. Favors cuts very well and Gobert passed to him well last season.

Look at last year, Rudy and Favors played well and complimented each other on offense and defense.

The only thing I would take issue with in there are the long twos, from 15 to 18 feet or so. I think other teams would be happy to Favors take those all night. He is not bad with them, but not good enough like an Aldrich or Griffin that it cause other teams to worry about it. They will give the Jazz that shot.

 

[tleikheen]

Jazz don't have to play like Golden State to win. The Jazz have built a team that will challenge Golden state this year if they can get fully healthy.

Watch and see if Golden State attacks Gobert and Favors in the paint ,I don't think they will! Golden State wants to bomb from 3 and run Utah off the court.The length and athleticism of Hill,Hood ,Hayward,Exum and Burks is the defense against Curry,Durant and Thompson.

I think Utah shows Golden State and the NBA tomorrow a new style of winning.Grinding long limbed defense against let them fly flying around offense meet.Utah to stun Golden State tomorrow in a statement.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

The spacing concerns with Favors are totally overblown. You don't need 4 players at the 3 point line to have good spacing. Favors CAN play in the post, but his mid-range game is strong enough that he doesn't HAVE to be under the basket. When Hill gets back, we have Hill, Hood and Hayward who can all shoot from 3, with Favors able to hit the mid-range shot and Rudy patrolling around the basket. This idea that Favors has to be able to extend out to the 3 has always been overstated, but particularly so when you have 3 good 3 point shooters on the floor.

Lyles being a better fit next to Rudy has always been flawed in that Favors is just a flat out better player.

Oh, and come playoff time, a healthy Favors next to Rudy ****ing Gobert on defense is going to be the key to going deep in the playoffs.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I think the biggest issue to me is that when Rudy leaves the floor teams attack the paint more. Favors can help eliminate this. Just because they are both on the team and both starting does not mean they will always be on the floor together. In an ideal world to me one of Favors or Gobert would always be on the floor. They they should spend a good amount of minutes on the floor without the other player. If they each play 32 minutes that means they can each play 16 minutes on the floor without the other player. I don't think they fit so poorly together that they hurt the offense. Especially if it's only for 16-20 minutes a game. Favors and Gobert do not occupy the same spots on the floor. Rudy sets screens and cuts to the basket down the lane, Favors occupies the post both low and high post and tends to cut more baseline. I find this an almost non issue.
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I however see no spot for Burks. I prefer the options we are currently playing and can't fathom where Burks is getting minutes from.

Good post, but you lost me with the last part about Burks. Burks is a really good player, and once he's healthy, we are going to have to find minutes for him. Unfortunately, he's going to take minutes from Dante and Jingles, and I think we could cut a few minutes from Hood and Hayward, here and there. Regardless, we are going to have to find minutes for him somewhere.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Think Zack Randolph and Mark Gasol but faster and with better defense. That is what you get with Favors playing along side Gobert. I don't think Favs and Gobert are close to them offensive wise. But defense, they are way better. And that makes me hard.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

And that makes me hard.

...perhaps the true barometer of any tandem considered to be "quality".

 

[candrew]

The problem is that Lyles isn't ready, and Diaw is too old to start. FA market doesn't show much for players who are better than Lyles and affordable. Who are we gonna be able to trade for that's affordable?

True statement but Lyles doesn't need to be ready until the end of next year when Favors contract runs out.

I still maintain Lyles is ahead of where Hayward was at this point in Gordon's second year so he had plenty of time to approach his ceiling.

Regardless, if The Jazz somehow manage to re-up both GH and GH this offseason, Utah will let Favors contract expire out after next year and Lyles will be the starting 4 - for better or worse.

 

[spycam1]

Since last night I've seen people on here post that both Burks and Favors are unneeded for this team to contend.

Just lol

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[Park Bites]

I love favs he is one of my favorite players and want him on the Jazz long term but there is one trade that would instantly make the Jazz better

Favs, burks for cousins and say WCS and or mclemore

Cousins can aactually shoot the 3. He is a beast in the low post. There is enough leadership on this team to keep him in line beside winnign hides a lot of flaws

lets see GSW match up with

Hill, Mack
Hood, Exum
Hayward, Johnson, Ingles
Cousins, Lyles
Gobert, WCS or Diaw