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GVC said:
I hate told-you-so's, generally, but...

A handful of years ago, I was basically run off the board (by Fish and a few other dullards) for suggesting that the jury was still out on DL. At the time, I pointed out that DL had inherited a playoff team with 2 near-all stars (Millsap proved to be an all-star upon leaving) and four young lottery picks, but had yet to build a team any better than the one he inherited (or the ones KOC had built in the initial post-S2M era).

Well, there were 9 post-S2M KOC Jazz teams and now 9 post-KOC DL teams, and I think it's tough to make the case that DL has done better job in his 9 years than KOC did in his last 9, despite having a much more advantageous starting point:

Record
KOC: 390-332, .540 (44.3 wins over an 82-game season)
DL: 391-327, .545 (44.7 wins over an 82-game season)

Playoffs
KOC: 5 appearances, 4 series wins
DL: 5 appearances, 3 series wins

It's worth reiterating that the Jazz had a stockpile of young talent and a couple expiring near all-stars when DL came on, and the Jazz currently have very little in the way of assets and financial flexibility to improve the current team--although they do have two stars.

DL's not a terrible GM/Executive, mind you, just not a particularly creative or proactive one.
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Have to mention it wasn't until Quin who came in 2014 and made the Rudy/Hayward the face of our franchise and gave us a clear direction in rebuild. He gave us an “identity.”

When DL was working with Corbin from 2012-2014, the team was a utter mess. No direction. No identity. Give the ball to big AL. Give the ball to Trey Burke. Give the ball to Millsap. Your turn my turn basketball. Bench Carroll. Bench Rudy. Play Marvin Williams/Richard Jefferson over Favors/Alec Burks.

That's why I've always said, we gotta give Quin a chance to work with another GM before we can see what we truly have. Cuz we've seen DL working with a different coach before, and it was a total disaster.
 
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Jingled said:
Every team in the league has role players in their starting lineup lol. Just look at the two teams playing in the finals right now...Crowder and Bridges start for the Suns and the Bucks start PJ Tucker and Brooke Lopez. .The Jazz finals teams had Russell and Ostertag in the starting lineup, hell even Hornacek would be considered a role player. Jordan's Bulls started players like Ron Harper and Luke Longlely, Bruce Bowen was huge in the starting lineup on Spurs championship teams, Derek Fish started on Lakers championship teams. Even super teams with 3 superstars fill out the rest of the starting 5 with role players. Look at some of the players Lebron won titles with... guys like Shane Batier, Mike Miller, Cladwell-Pope, J.R. Smith, Tristan Thompson, etc.

I could go on and on listing different players but the point is every single team throughout the history of the NBA has had role players and complimentary pieces in their starting lineup, even the championship teams.
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Every starter in championship teams is a plus 20 ppg guy… unless matchups dictate otherwise.
 
Jingled said:
Every team in the league has role players in their starting lineup lol. Just look at the two teams playing in the finals right now...Crowder and Bridges start for the Suns and the Bucks start PJ Tucker and Brooke Lopez. The Jazz finals teams had Russell and Ostertag in the starting lineup, hell even Hornacek would be considered a role player. Jordan's Bulls started players like Ron Harper and Luke Longlely, Bruce Bowen was huge in the starting lineup on Spurs championship teams, Derek Fish started on Lakers championship teams. Even super teams with 3 superstars fill out the rest of the starting 5 with role players. Look at some of the players Lebron won titles with... guys like Shane Batier, Mike Miller, Cladwell-Pope, J.R. Smith, Tristan Thompson, etc.

I could go on and on listing different players but the point is every single team throughout the history of the NBA has had role players and complimentary pieces in their starting lineup, even the championship teams.
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Don't insult Russell by mentioning him with ostertag.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
No need to through insults my way, I just took a shot at your beloved player, he sucks and proved that in the playoffs. No need to use the name calling card.
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Dude, you have been the one doing the insulting all last season. I like Niang but not that much.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
Nah Tucker was traded at the deadline,
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He started for Houston before the trade. This is one of the dumber arguments I've seen someone throw out there. He's a role player... he starts because he is one of their 5 best guys available.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
He is washed man ...
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And yet he's still a role playing starter on a finals team but I'm sure its just matchup based... and every matchup in the playoffs has been a good matchup for him.
 
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