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Sincerely, if you are interested in good faith discussion, I'd like to explore this a bit. We're all hard wired to be tribal and our echo chambers embolden that... but I believe there are generally merits on both sides. There's also lots of lying on both sides and what tends to happen is both groups believe the other is the only one being duped.
Yeah your statement here is one I agree with. I'm on a side right now, but I'd call it a marriage of convenience since I'm so strongly opposed to the same person they are opposed to. I don't care about any political party. I think Trump is especially dangerous to the U.S. and he is dangerous to people I care about. Specifically he is dangerous to relatives of mine who are non-binary and transgender. He has expressed clearly that these relatives of mine are not to be recognized. He has specifically othered them.

This can and does have deadly consequences. Transgender women are per capita the most murdered people in the United States. I don't expect Trump's Presidency to reduce that number, I expect it to go up.

There is no possible way for me to support Trump or to be against the rights of LGBTQ people. This is a hill I would die on. Literally.
 
I am a JP disagree-er. I think he's a pompous idiot.

Religion doesn't **** out meaning. We don't need religion to have meaning. In fact, if what the world was all about is accurately described in the Bible I'd literally puke because the world according to the Bible is not good, not inspiring, not meaningful. The on the ground results of the Bible influencing people is an absolute horror show. Death, war, genocide, rape, murder, and lies. Oh wait, churches feed people sometimes, and they do pot lucks on occasion and they insert themselves into everyone's marriages and deaths.

Religion is bad. Faith is worse.

Life has meaning. Not being religious does not equal nihilism. I think a God free outlook has a lot more meaning than this fairytale nonsense the Bible is about. I mean if you think praying to Unseen Lord Cloud Papa is what makes life worth living then you do you.
Oh and I don't have to worry about us exposing you to the incel community because if you're a Jordan Peterson fan then you are very much adjacent to the incel community
 
I am a JP disagree-er. I think he's a pompous idiot.

Religion doesn't **** out meaning. We don't need religion to have meaning. In fact, if what the world was all about is accurately described in the Bible I'd literally puke because the world according to the Bible is not good, not inspiring, not meaningful. The on the ground results of the Bible influencing people is an absolute horror show. Death, war, genocide, rape, murder, and lies. Oh wait, churches feed people sometimes, and they do pot lucks on occasion and they insert themselves into everyone's marriages and deaths.

Religion is bad. Faith is worse.

Life has meaning. Not being religious does not equal nihilism. I think a God free outlook has a lot more meaning than this fairytale nonsense the Bible is about. I mean if you think praying to Unseen Lord Cloud Papa is what makes life worth living then you do you.

Peterson doesn't give two ***** about god, like all other grifters he knows where his bread is buttered. What surprises me about him is why would he abandon a fairly successful professional career for this nonsense? The money cant be that good?
 
Transgender women are per capita the most murdered people in the United States.
That is now the second time I've seen you give voice to that false statistic. Young Black males are the most murdered people in the United States. The only transgender women murdered at anywhere near that rate are the ones who are themselves young Black males. Per capita, police officers are more murdered than transgender women.

Also, Trump didn't other the transgender community. He de-othered them. They aren't special. They are their biology just like all the rest of us. They are not they/them. They are us.
 
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I wanted to put down some of my thoughts on feminism and test them a bit. Now if you are a leftist, i expect lot's of pushback. That's fine. If any of my thoughts are bad I welcome the discussion. But I ask that you appeal to me rationally and in good faith rather than being reactionary or reacting emotionally. Also sorry if any of this turns out to be incoherent or all over the place. I'm so sick i Can't sleep and high on DayQuill. Ok, and here we go

One issue i see with feminism is it has done more to undermine motherhood and accountability for women than anything. Women are actually applauded and encouraged to be dishonorable in the name of feminism i.e. abortion (for no reason other than not wanting the responsibility that comes with motherhood and Avoiding consequences of casual sex which i think is bad for the soul and I'm not even religious. For the record, i have no issue with abortion if the life of the mother is in jeopardy, and though I don't agree with abortion, i was fine in not over turning roe vs wade. Though even Ginsberg thought it should have been left up to the states on a constitutional basis.), onlyfans, promiscuousness.

I suspect a surprising amount of young women today will say cooking an cleaning in family life is degrading, working at McDonald's is degrading, but onlyfans is not. It seems to me that Modern feminism offers nor encourages no spiritual connection to the divine. In fact it conflates such mysticism with "the patriarchy." Feminism went from equality between men and women (which is kind of silly because women never wanted full equality as men and women are different and some things men do, generally speaking, women want no part of) as the goal to men suck and it's sexist and outdated to hold women to traditional standards of morality and femininity. Feminism champions the hairy-armpit-green-haired-sexual-exhibitionist lifestyle over motherhood, marriage and commitment. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that women initiate 70% of all divorces in the USA and China. Are men that much more the responsible? Also, kind of interesting, gay men have a 22% divorce rate, lesbians have a 72% percent divorce rate and heterosexual couples tend to be between 40-50% divorce rate) Men generally get screwed in no fault divorces too as our modern society has incentivized women to break up families. I also find it interesting that women who are virgins on their wedding day, have the highest chance of not getting divorced... it's almost as if there is ancient godly wisdom in Christianity that our society decided was oppressive or wrong. I don't blame women for all of it... women are engineered to go along with and uphold the social norms or status quo of a society (at least more so than men). Just look at female group dynamics. If a woman has 5 girlfriends and 3 of them don't like a guy this woman is dating, the other 2 won't either without much thought or consideration. Its also easier for women to walk away from marriage because throughout history women had to in order to survive (i.e. husband dies in battle, conquering tribe or nation moves in, and to protect her children and her self, she would find a new man in the conquering party and assimilate into the conquering party's tribe or nation.) imo, Christianity actually gave us the best chance at functional and thriving families but a huge portion of western civilization has decided the ways of God are outdated. This is my issue with the left on some things. They get so enamored with their own intelligence, wisdom and pride, that even the institutions of God that were tried in the laboratory of history are outdated instruments of oppression or patriarchy. Doesn't the bible say the wisdom of men is foolish unto God?

It really blows my mind you know? There's even been a gradual trend of women feeling unsatisfied and unfulfilled that correlates exactly with the progression of feminism (i can substantiate that finding). But women buy into this stuff because it sounds good. And I don't necessarily blame them, because it does sound good. Thomas Sowell said "the last 70 years can be characterized by saying we've traded what worked with what sounds good." I recall my mom saying many times to me over the years that women are emotional and that women operate on feelings. There's nothing wrong with that btw. Men and women are different. Does that mean women are unreliable narrators more than men? Maybe. What is the implication of that in marriage life or even at the societal level? A society 100% run by females and a society 100% run by males would look vastly different. We shouldn't be surprised by that. It's an interesting thought experiment to decipher the pros and cons of each. My current thesis is that while a matriarchal influence completes, and is ESSENTIAL, for family life, it doesn't, if left unchecked, scale well at the government level for the same reasons socialism and communism were utter disasters in the 20th century. Also, why is it that children raised by single dad's fare as well as children raised in a two parent household while children raised by a single mother fare much worse? (higher rates of crime, drug use, teenage pregnancy etc) it's almost as if masculinity which the left has demonized for decades is actually necessary and good in a child's life.

I would encourage you to look inward and talk to women about these issues you have with them.

I would encourage everyone to examine their own beliefs and behaviors before judging others and how they choose to live their life.

I think most men would be best served to begin this conversation examining what they can do to address their concerns. Blaming women is an old, tired tradition and won’t get you anywhere.

While it’s adorable to ask, there’s more work and research you need to do before engaging in a real conversation with anyone who will take you seriously.

My question is, why is it women’s job to make men better partners and people? I think they’re tired of you and your lazy approach to life. Come with a basic understanding of women’s issues. We don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.


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Peterson doesn't give two ***** about god, like all other grifters he knows where his bread is buttered. What surprises me about him is why would he abandon a fairly successful professional career for this nonsense? The money cant be that good?
Oh yes it can. No one can pull in the money like religious grifte...uh... leaders. Speaking engagements alone can get into 6 figures. Bigger events even more. They will buy the books at $50 a pop like they are going out of style. There is no amount of money too big to validate what many people have committed their entire lives to. Finding out you have committed your life to a lie is devastatingly difficult to deal with. So they flock to guys like JP who reinforce their brainwashed world-view and keep them snug in their comfortable beds of faith before all, except race and keeping the damn gays in their place. So, yeah, I would wager he has leveraged God-talk into at least 3x his previous salaries. Probably a lot more.
 
Come with a basic understanding of women’s issues. We don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.
Wait, wut? You're a male feminist?!?

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I hope everyone is having a great day. Today rules!
 
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Wait, wut? You're a male feminist?!?

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I hope everyone is having a great day. Today rules!

Yes! What is so funny about being male feminist? I love women!

Something smells fishy here folks. Dude hates women, obsessed with trans and gay people, and spewing all his hate and anger today. Ehhh that usually means something, especially in Utah. Just sayin. No hate.

I’m having an awesome day, thanks. You’ve been so responsive to my posts, it’s been fun.

I’ll bet you’re stoked bro! Going mask off when you’re as insecure as yourself must get those dopamine hits goin!


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Oh yes it can. No one can pull in the money like religious grifte...uh... leaders. Speaking engagements alone can get into 6 figures. Bigger events even more. They will buy the books at $50 a pop like they are going out of style. There is no amount of money too big to validate what many people have committed their entire lives to. Finding out you have committed your life to a lie is devastatingly difficult to deal with. So they flock to guys like JP who reinforce their brainwashed world-view and keep them snug in their comfortable beds of faith before all, except race and keeping the damn gays in their place. So, yeah, I would wager he has leveraged God-talk into at least 3x his previous salaries. Probably a lot more.
It definitely goes both ways. Some of the biggest grifters on the planet are the secular priests of the modern left. People like Robyn Diangelo and Ibram X or orgs like BLM etc.
 
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