Feminism

[Tom Pitt]

The only decent thing Thatcher did was die.

The nuclear family is for the most part an American invention, the idea of mum, dad and the kids as a stand alone unit. This was promoted in America as an idea to encourage people to move around for work ect. In European cultures its more common for people to live with large extended families, this can be a problem for capitalism because people are reluctant to move away from their family structure for employment. As an example i come from immigrant families but we immigrated together, so despite having left Europe 70 years ago, I have an extended family of over 100 people who live within a relatively small geographic spread. If you took my house and drew a circle with a radius of say 30 miles, you'd easily collect 60 or 70 of my extended family.

Interesting take. Many people believe the nanny state decimated the black nuclear family and that has hurt African American's. I'm assuming you don't believe that. Per capita crime being highest among African Americans, do you believe this is more a symptom of poverty and systemic racism still or is could it be the dissolution of traditional judeo-Christian values taught in the home by parents committed to one another and their children?

 

[fishonjazz]

I think a major discrepancy here is that people on the right who watch a lot of news and then listen to a lot of political podcasts or radio shows thinks that the left is equally steeped in their own propaganda.

I know very few liberals who watch news at all. I personally do not watch or listen to anyone explain the news to me. I read news articles from various sources. I am not attached in any way shape or form to a news personality like a Hannity, Gutfeld, or Carlson except with a liberal point of view. I listen to podcasts a lot and absolutely zero of them are about politics.

I work with a lot of people who are very into MAGA and during lunch that's about all they can talk about. When I have to drive in their car with them they are listening to MAGA political programming. When they are on their phone they are reading political news from a limited selection of friendly sources. I find it very dull. I do not see the same thing on the left.

I do listen to NPR on occasion. Many on the right think that NPR is a liberal equivalent of their favorite conservative media. What I listen to on NPR is Science Friday and This American Life. Is there an equivalent to that on conservative radio? Is there a significant chunk of programing time devoted to science, learning, arts? That's never what I hear when the MAGA goon sits in a public place and plays his Turning Point podcast at high volume, clearly on purpose to make others hear the message he is faithful to.

same. Have literally not watched cnn, or msnbc, or fox or any news program in years. Tried to start listening to that Meidas Touch podcast and made it about 5 minutes and gave up and haven't listened since.
i dont have twitter. I have never listened to joe rogan. I literally cant name a political newscaster on the left other than John Stewart? And I only watch him when one of his videos are posted on jazzfanz lol. I mean i dont know the name of a single news personality on cnn (I assume CNN is the opposite of fox news)
I listen to KSL 1160 (a conservative station) a bit on my 10 minute drive to and from work but even then I listen to pandora or sports radio more than KSL.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yes because the liberal assumption is that we should treat one another better, help one another more, and accept the difference that exist amongst us, such as skin color, sexual preference, religion, etc..

I think in the past the conservative message was that those things are fine in moderation but there is danger in taking that ideology too far too fast. Now the message is that those things are the enemy of our nation's greatness.

This.

 

[fishonjazz]

You may be right. I'm not totally sure. But the implicit assumptions of leftism are mostly baked into the American people from a very young age via mainstream culture and education are they not? Like, how many kids in America have heen taught homogeneous societies are more cohesive than diverse societies? Whether that's true or not isn't the point. leftist ideology has a massive programming headstart. You could say Cheering for the underdog for example is a very socialist ideal. My whole family on my mom's side is liberals. They watch msnbc and CNN a lot. But that may not be the norm. Certainly reading any article from any legacy publication (except for the new york post?) is going to have leftist leanings

Ya I agree that I do try to teach my daughter to be kind to everyone regardless of their sex, skin color, wealth, etc. Sorry, not sorry?

 

[fishonjazz]

Mostly my news/politics/whatever is based on me watching trump speak and act how he speaks and acts and then calling him out for being a piece of ****.
To me that has nothing to do with being partisan or left or right or whatever.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have said it before but if trump never got into politics then no one would think I was a leftist/liberal/democrat.
I never voted for a single democrat prior to trump showing up on the scene. Since he has arrived I have probably voted for just as many republicans as democrats. Just not in the presidential race. I refuse to vote for such a horrible human being. Fully understanding that the democratic presidential candidates I have voted for are no angels but there are degrees of immorality, corruption, dishonesty, and scandal and trump is at the highest end of the spectrum of all time.

 

[Tom Pitt]

Ya I agree that I do try to teach my daughter to be kind to everyone regardless of their sex, skin color, wealth, etc. Sorry, not sorry?

I 100% agree people should be judged NOT by the color of their skin but by the content of their character but are you sure neo-liberalism advocates for that? That's the problem. This is why Trump won the popular vote in my opinion. Neo liberalism isn't true liberalism. They now advocate for many of the same things they were initially against.


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[Tom Pitt]

Yes because the liberal assumption is that we should treat one another better, help one another more, and accept the difference that exist amongst us, such as skin color, sexual preference, religion, etc..

I think in the past the conservative message was that those things are fine in moderation but there is danger in taking that ideology too far too fast. Now the message is that those things are the enemy of our nation's greatness.

i was a democrat for most of my life. I don't believe that's what leftist ideology is about anymore... i think it's veiled in tolerance and progressivism though. Is judging people on character instead of Color of their skin truly a tenet of neo-liberalism? I'm not sure it is.

 

[Rubashov]

Interesting take. Many people believe the nanny state decimated the black nuclear family and that has hurt African American's. I'm assuming you don't believe that. Per capita crime being highest among African Americans, do you believe this is more a symptom of poverty and systemic racism still or is could it be the dissolution of traditional judeo-Christian values taught in the home by parents committed to one another and their children?

Slavery, institutionalised racism and entrenched poverty, added to that the emergence of criminal culture as social currency. Its nothing new for depressed communities to have high levels of drug use, it happens all over the world, what doesn't tend to happen around the world is the amount of murder associated with drug dealing in the US. Its incredibly sad that poor people instead of engaging in solidarity with other poor people to improve their lives chase the capitalist lie of material wealth and egotistical status through violent crime.

I ****ing hate that here in Australia we've been making TV shows about our gang wars (nothing like the US, were talking about maybe 30 murders in 25 years) but what ***** me is that it celebrates these bastards and their violence. We're having a significant issue here with African youth crime, stealing cars, being involved in violent robberies and home invasions, for the most part it is performative violence and a lot of it is streamed online to their friends. A huge part of it is the adoption by this cohort of American rap culture and these kids wanting to belong to a sub culture that makes them feel empowered. Now these kids are disadvantaged by local standards but poverty does not exist in this country like it does in the US, but they feel empowered by referring to their neighbourhoods as the "ghetto". These public housing enclaves sit side by side with some of the most expensive real estate in the world, its hardly a ghetto if you have travelled outside of Australia and seen real poverty. The tragedy of it is that these children are committing very adult crimes and the community is rightly intolerant of it but it also plays into the hands of far right politicians who happily exploit it. Again American politics in our country.

 

[gandalfe]

Slavery, institutionalised racism and entrenched poverty, added to that the emergence of criminal culture as social currency. Its nothing new for depressed communities to have high levels of drug use, it happens all over the world, what doesn't tend to happen around the world is the amount of murder associated with drug dealing in the US. Its incredibly sad that poor people instead of engaging in solidarity with other poor people to improve their lives chase the capitalist lie of material wealth and egotistical status through violent crime.

I ****ing hate that here in Australia we've been making TV shows about our gang wars (nothing like the US, were talking about maybe 30 murders in 25 years) but what ***** me is that it celebrates these bastards and their violence. We're having a significant issue here with African youth crime, stealing cars, being involved in violent robberies and home invasions, for the most part it is performative violence and a lot of it is streamed online to their friends. A huge part of it is the adoption by this cohort of American rap culture and these kids wanting to belong to a sub culture that makes them feel empowered. Now these kids are disadvantaged by local standards but poverty does not exist in this country like it does in the US, but they feel empowered by referring to their neighbourhoods as the "ghetto". These public housing enclaves sit side by side with some of the most expensive real estate in the world, its hardly a ghetto if you have travelled outside of Australia and seen real poverty. The tragedy of it is that these children are committing very adult crimes and the community is rightly intolerant of it but it also plays into the hands of far right politicians who happily exploit it. Again American politics in our country.

I mean, you guys made a national ****ing hero out of Ned Kelly. I read somewhere that he is the subject of more biographies than any other Australian.

 

[Rubashov]

I mean, you guys made a national ****ing hero out of Ned Kelly. I read somewhere that he is the subject of more biographies than any other Australian.

Sounds about right, I reckon second place is probably the race horse Phar Lap (tells you a lot about a country). I think a lot of it has to do with it being taught in schools to very young kids and therefore the image is sanitised, bushrangers and the gold rush are part of the syllabus for kids around the age of 7-8. These kids will likely never study this again unless they read colonial Australian history at University, so its all very PG. On top of that you have all the pop culture stuff, movies, art work and so on, there is a whole industry built around the Kelly gang. You know a bunch of cuddly guys who killed I think 6 people?

 

[Tom Pitt]

Slavery, institutionalised racism and entrenched poverty, added to that the emergence of criminal culture as social currency. Its nothing new for depressed communities to have high levels of drug use, it happens all over the world, what doesn't tend to happen around the world is the amount of murder associated with drug dealing in the US. Its incredibly sad that poor people instead of engaging in solidarity with other poor people to improve their lives chase the capitalist lie of material wealth and egotistical status through violent crime.

I ****ing hate that here in Australia we've been making TV shows about our gang wars (nothing like the US, were talking about maybe 30 murders in 25 years) but what ***** me is that it celebrates these bastards and their violence. We're having a significant issue here with African youth crime, stealing cars, being involved in violent robberies and home invasions, for the most part it is performative violence and a lot of it is streamed online to their friends. A huge part of it is the adoption by this cohort of American rap culture and these kids wanting to belong to a sub culture that makes them feel empowered. Now these kids are disadvantaged by local standards but poverty does not exist in this country like it does in the US, but they feel empowered by referring to their neighbourhoods as the "ghetto". These public housing enclaves sit side by side with some of the most expensive real estate in the world, its hardly a ghetto if you have travelled outside of Australia and seen real poverty. The tragedy of it is that these children are committing very adult crimes and the community is rightly intolerant of it but it also plays into the hands of far right politicians who happily exploit it. Again American politics in our country.

Yeah. Super sad. I would like to see an effective solution some time in my lifetime. My dream would be for all of American society to be a high trust society of honor and little crime. I visited Japan last year and it was inspiring to see how well they seem to be doing on that front at least relative to the USA