Step-Back Lauri
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This is where I also came into conclusion he's not worth my time. I was actually going to try before the JP quote.
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Tom Pitt
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nobody that hates JP can ever tell me exactly why
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I feel the same way about LeBron.
I think he’s a greasy ****ing loser.
He’s a rage baiting, debate-pornstar who uses tears, young men’s insecurity and lack of education to manipulate them with alt-right, patriarchal garbage allowing them to blame their inability to attract women on everyone and everything but themselves.
It’s why you don’t get feminism or women. You listen to grifters, like JP. Stop being such a mark.
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Excellent post
Tom Pitt
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The part where you say blame their inability to attract women on everyone and everything but themselves tells me you have not really listened to what he has to say. I'd say his message is rather antithetical to that. If anything, his message is "hey bucko! Nobody is coming to save you. You're responsible for where you are. Take some responsibility and tell the truth. Or at the very least, don't lie!"
Babypeterzz. I have nothing but good will for you mate. We're all just infallible humans trying to get through this thing. I come to the table in good faith. No need to keep telling me how dumb or socially inept i am. But if you must continue, that's okay too.
Fair enough. Sorry I treated you like a troll. You have been posting respectfully.
You’re right, he does say that stuff and it’s a good message young men need to hear.
It’s his based takes on women and men, and his veiled, and not so veiled, misogyny I can’t stand and is not doing young men any favors. It’s teaching them that women are the problem and need to change in order for them to find a mate. Body count, traditional gender roles, and wild libertarian overtones ruin his whole message. It’s leaves young men so little room to operate in society, let alone with a partner and doesn’t address the underlying problems. Therapy can really help here, but it takes lots of time and money.
The manosphere is poison man.
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Al-O-Meter
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That is the opposite of what JBP says. His message is focused on men needing to improve. JBP is dismissive of the man-o-sphere / Fresh n Fit / Whatever podcast narrative you are trying to attribute to him as he believes that to be the opposite of taking responsibility for oneself. He is famous for telling men who are lost in their lives to take on the responsibility of making their bed in the morning. Once they own that bed-making responsibility, then add a bit more responsibility, and then a bit more.
Go back and read my post. I already agreed with his good message. The problem is he “Fresh n Fits” too. I hate posting his garbage. But he engages in debate-porn with unqualified people to look smart, and it’s not satire. Kirk and others do it. It’s a clever trick that fools impressionable young men with less experience and education, and apparently middle aged men as well. He could never stand up to a real scholar tho.
View: https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54?si=U3sESaTKUejpox_i
Now I think people shouldn’t have to be well read or educated to understand the very nuanced ideas and realities around women, their experience, and their trauma. I like the podcast format for this stuff.
Do you guys listen to any podcast that discuss women and men issues hosted by women? Here are a few, depends on your vibe:
Unladylike, Call Your Girlfriend, Visible Women, The Waves Podcast, The Feminist Lens, Women Want Strong Men, I Weigh, and Financial Feminist
You’re not gonna like it, but it’s the experience of 50% of the population, our moms, wives, sisters, daughters, friends, neighbors, coworkers. If you haven’t listened to women and get a better understanding of their experience you’re missing half of the picture. The more you listen the more you’ll understand and realize how you can incorporate it into your world view, giving you more understanding of women’s issues and how you as a man can help them.
I hope you give it a try and come back and teach us what you’ve learned, and how you think it relates to what’s been posted above.
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Al-O-Meter
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I did read your post. This is what you wrote:
The very first words in the video clip you posted blow your narrative out of the water.
"Jordan Peterson, you've said that men need to quote grow the hell up..."
How does that go into your brain and come out as 'JBP is teaching that women are the problem and women need to change in order for women to find a mate'?
As for all the women podcasts you promote, no thanks. I have no interest in helping women beyond how I help any person. Being women doesn't make them helpless infants that all need saving and I find the soft bigotry of low expectations to be cringe. Besides, I've been married for two decades and see the wisdom of the Mike Pence rule. There is one I'd kill and die for, but all the rest are kept at arm's length.
No the other part.
Ok, I listen to your stuff but you won’t listen to mine? I’m sure you know you’re being willfully ignorant to protect your marriage and worldview from scrutiny. I get that. I would be compelled to do the same. I’m also married and love my wife very much. Would die for her yada yada. Definitely the bare minimum stuff, just like you.
I hope this works as an example of why MAGA can’t seem to understand why people treat them the way they do. If someone spouts off opinions without half the picture sounds really dumb to most of us. You don’t do real research, you get info from social media only. Your “news sites” are blogs. Foxnews literally has a little timer next to their posts so people know it only take 2 minutes to read. Big *** font, etc. like for old people. Like if you’re actually 80 years old or something.
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