Following 2016 potential draftees

[Game6Conley]

Adel? Srsly?

He will likely climb to being Louisville's best player on their trash team. He could possibly make it to first round but he's nothing special.

He'a also just a few months younger than Trey Lyles, which makes him damn old for the class, he'll turn 20 before march madness

 

[Dr. Jones]

2nd post ever! I personally like Ben the most overall. I don't think he's Lebron, I think he'll very much be his own player. However, I think Bender or Skal will end up going first. Gms just don't pass up 7 footers that can shoot with skill these days.
A guy the Jazz could take a look at who I think would be late 1st round atm is Deng Adel from Louisville. Strong chance he climbs in my opinion though. 6'7, great defender, strong, is a slasher but can shoot the 3 as well. He's a really smart player. Going to surprise a lot of people


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lol... fail.
We still love ya tho.

 

[Game6Conley]

Bender so far with modest numbers in Israel. Playing about 13 minutes a game. Of course though this is a professional league playing against grown men. Interesting to see if his numbers go up as the year goes along. Then again if they think he is headed to NBA after this season what incentive do they have to play him much.

Oh he's headed to the NBA.. the more I watch Bender, the more I'm amazed at his lateral movement and overall body control/coordination, he's a legit 7-footer with fantastic court vision too...

He's hands down the best prospect in Europe IMO.

I've become convinced he's still got plenty of room for improvement athletically - he can add more vertical explosion to his game..

 

[Game6Conley]

Great plan.

Let's hope the FO is reading this thread.

I'm sure you can appreciate what a ridiculously terrible plan that is.. It'd almost certainly backfire on all parties involved.. It doesn't make sense on at-least 10 fronts


Thats a re-build plan anyway - I don't see how you could advocate that at this point, it's not about talent or fit, it's about Ben Simmons needs the ball to be most effective..

I refuse to believe The F/O's going to grow this team all near the same age, then hand the keys over to young Ben Simmons after seasons of grooming him on the bench.. Is that really what some here think its gonna take to get over the hill??? Sheesh.

C'mon son!!!! ****'s a pipedream, and not a well thought out one.. It's certainly not in Ben's best interests either..


most everyone agrees this team (when healthy) is good enough to make a run at the playoffs, considering the average age of the team, there's no reason to do something as drastic as an All-in move for Simmons..


Simmons skillset, especially at NBA PF deviates from the apparent direction the team/roster is being built in... Ben Simmons most "NBA ready skill" is his ability to jumpstart the ball movement, the Jazz are obviously built on defense and rebounding though, to me, It makes much more sense to upgrade the 3pt shooting over the ball-movement.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yup, if we somehow lucked into the #1 draft pick through the lottery, I'm taking BPA (and yes I understand that is subjective and you probably disagree on who BPA is), not fit. Sorry if that is a terrible plan. To each his own.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And the Jazz just drafted Trey Lyles over Devin Booker, so that tells me they really value a unique playmaker at the 4 over a shooter on the wing.

 

[Game6Conley]

20 Hours til the season starts. Final preseason mock. the colored #'s are tiers.

1 - Skal Labissiere 7'0 PF/C - Kentucky
2 - Brandon Ingram 6'10 SF - Duke
3 - Jamal Murray 6'5" PG/SG - Kentucky
4 - Dragan Bender 7'0 PF/SF - Maccabi Tel Aviv
5 - Ben Simmons 6'9½" SF/PF - LSU
6 - Jaylen Brown 6'6" SG - Cal
7 - Kris Dunn 6'4" PG - Providence
8 - Cheick Diallo 6'9" PF - Kansas
9 - Malik Newman 6'3½" SG/PG - Mississippi St.
10 - Henry Ellenson 6'10 PF - Marquette
11 - Stephen Zimmerman 7'0 PF/C - UNLV
12 - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6'7" SG - Kansas
13 - Jonathan Jeanne 7'2" C - France
14 - Zhou Qi 7'2" C - China
15 - Ivan Rabb 6'10" - Cal
16 - Isaiah Briscoe 6'3" PG/SG - Kentucky
17 - Jakob Poeltl 7'1" C - Utah
18 - Furkan Korkmaz 6'7" SG - Turkey
19 - Timothe Luwawu 6'7" SF/SG - France
20 - Diamond Stone 6'10" PF/C - Maryland
21 - Damian Jones 7' PF/C - Vanderbilt
22 - Demetrius Jackson 6'1" PG - Notre Dame
23 - Dwayne Bacon 6'6" SG/SF - FSU
24 - Antonio Blakeney 6'4" SG - LSU
25 - Vasilis Charalampopoulos 6'8" SF - Greece
26 - Taurean Prince 6'8" - SF - Baylor
27 - Derryck Thornton 6'1" PG - Duke
28 - Tyler Ulis 5'9" PG - Kentucky
29 - Domantas Sabonis 6'10" PF - Gonzaga
30 - Melo Trimble 6'2" PG - Maryland

Honorable mention list instead of a 2nd round..

Spoiler

Caris LaVert - SG - Michigan
Ivica Zubac - C - Croatia
Malik Pope - PF/SF - SDSU
Jalen Adams - PG - UConn
Nigel Hayes - PF - Wisconsin
Tim Quarterman - PG/SG - LSU
Aleksander Vezenkov - PF - Cyprus
Alpha Kaba - PF - France
Buddy Hield - SG - Oklahoma
Marcus Lee - PF - Kentucky
Justin Jackson - SG - UNC
Thomas Bryant - PF - Indiana
Troy Williams - SF - Indiana
James Blackmon - SG - Indiana
Jalen Brunson - PG - Villanova
Allonzo Trier - SG - Arizona
Deng Adel - SF - Louisville
Theo Pinson - SF - UNC
Wade Baldwin - PG - Vanderbilt
Daniel Hamilton - SG - UConn
Grayson Allen - SG - Duke
Edin Atic - SG - Bosnia and Herzegovina
Perry Dozier- PG/SG - South Carolina
Isaia Coordinier - SG - France

 

[Dr. Jones]

20 Hours til the season starts. Final preseason mock. the colored #'s are tiers.

1 - Skal Labissiere 7'0 PF/C - Kentucky
2 - Brandon Ingram 6'10 SF - Duke
3 - Jamal Murray 6'5" PG/SG - Kentucky
4 - Dragan Bender 7'0 PF/SF - Maccabi Tel Aviv
5 - Ben Simmons 6'9½" SF/PF - LSU
6 - Jaylen Brown 6'6" SG - Cal
7 - Kris Dunn 6'4" PG - Providence
8 - Cheick Diallo 6'9" PF - Kansas
9 - Malik Newman 6'3½" SG/PG - Mississippi St.
10 - Henry Ellenson 6'10 PF - Marquette
11 - Stephen Zimmerman 7'0 PF/C - UNLV
12 - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6'7" SG - Kansas
13 - Jonathan Jeanne 7'2" C - France
14 - Zhou Qi 7'2" C - China
15 - Ivan Rabb 6'10" - Cal
16 - Isaiah Briscoe 6'3" PG/SG - Kentucky
17 - Jakob Poeltl 7'1" C - Utah
18 - Furkan Korkmaz 6'7" SG - Turkey
19 - Timothe Luwawu 6'7" SF/SG - France
20 - Diamond Stone 6'10" PF/C - Maryland
21 - Damian Jones 7' PF/C - Vanderbilt
22 - Demetrius Jackson 6'1" PG - Notre Dame
23 - Dwayne Bacon 6'6" SG/SF - FSU
24 - Antonio Blakeney 6'4" SG - LSU
25 - Vasilis Charalampopoulos 6'8" SF - Greece
26 - Taurean Prince 6'8" - SF - Baylor
27 - Derryck Thornton 6'1" PG - Duke
28 - Tyler Ulis 5'9" PG - Kentucky
29 - Domantas Sabonis 6'10" PF - Gonzaga
30 - Melo Trimble 6'2" PG - Maryland

Honorable mention list instead of a 2nd round..

Spoiler

Caris LaVert - SG - Michigan
Ivica Zubac - C - Croatia
Malik Pope - PF/SF - SDSU
Jalen Adams - PG - UConn
Nigel Hayes - PF - Wisconsin
Tim Quarterman - PG/SG - LSU
Aleksander Vezenkov - PF - Cyprus
Alpha Kaba - PF - France
Buddy Hield - SG - Oklahoma
Marcus Lee - PF - Kentucky
Justin Jackson - SG - UNC
Thomas Bryant - PF - Indiana
Troy Williams - SF - Indiana
James Blackmon - SG - Indiana
Jalen Brunson - PG - Villanova
Allonzo Trier - SG - Arizona
Deng Adel - SF - Louisville
Theo Pinson - SF - UNC
Wade Baldwin - PG - Vanderbilt
Daniel Hamilton - SG - UConn
Grayson Allen - SG - Duke
Edin Atic - SG - Bosnia and Herzegovina
Perry Dozier- PG/SG - South Carolina
Isaia Coordinier - SG - France

Brown should be in the 2nd tier.
Dunn a bit too high.
Ellenson a bit too high.
Diallo a bit too high
Rabb a bit too low.

Not sure who else I move up.

 

[Game6Conley]

Brown should be in the 2nd tier.
Dunn a bit too high.
Ellenson a bit too high.
Diallo a bit too high
Rabb a bit too low.

Not sure who else I move up.

Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. It's a safe bet that those international players listed, won't all declare this year.. probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb up a spot into the lottery.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. I don't think all the international players in that mock will declare this year, probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb into the lottery.

Agree with all that. Diallo is pretty safe due to athleticism and motor.

 

[NCJazz]

Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. It's a safe bet that those international players listed, won't all declare this year.. probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb up a spot into the lottery.

You forgetting nigel hayes?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You forgetting nigel hayes?

He isn't a Hayes fan. I definitely think he will be at least top 20, potentially late lottery.