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if we love Thon then trade down and lets swipe BEMBZ too pls
Following 2016 potential draftees
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mellow
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I watched one Washington game on TV this season, Murray immediately stood out as the best player from both teams ( i think they were playing Arizona). Anyway when I saw the Mocks and they had Chriss listed higher than Murray I was confused because I didn't even notice Chriss in the game.
mellow
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Thon's hips make me nervous.
Perrin seemed to go out of his way to talk about Marcus Paige, said he was a pg before he went to UNC, and is a natural leader.
zyzz
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Probably gonna get ridiculed for this, but screw it and maybe someone can change my view. Jamal Murray gives me Trey Burke vibes. Taller, slightly longer, (probably) better shooting Trey Burke.
In college they both had...
- Great scoring instincts, whether in the pick and roll, shooting off the dribble or catch and shoot, and getting into the lane. However, they both relied on herky-jerky hesitation moves because of their lack of elite burst and athleticism so I wonder if he can create at the NBA level. Murray shot a lot of floaters in the NCAA that I don't think he will be able to get off in the NBA. Murray shot 59% at the rim (28% assisted) in college (source: Draftexpress) and took 20.4% of his shots at the rim (source: Hoopmath). Per Hoopmath Trey Burke shot 24% of his shots (17% assisted) at the rim converting on 63% of his attempts. Trey only shot 52% at the rim in the half-court and didn't have as good of a floater game or as good of a left-hand as Murray. Both would resort to tough floaters if they couldn't get to the rim.
- Both had very deep range in college. Murray was a better shooter, but Trey was certainly no slouch either: 44% off the catch, 42% off the bounce per Draftexpress.
- Trey actually seemed better creating separation in college with stepbacks and a tighter handle. Murray has kind of a low and slow-ish release, so I wonder if he can get his shot off against long and athletic NBA wings.
- On defense they both try hard, but they are limited by their size and athleticism. Trey and Jamal both get crushed by screens and have trouble navigating around them. They both really struggled with keeping faster guards from driving to the basket.
- They both go into hero-ball chucker mode sometimes. Both took a lot of tough jumpers early in the shotclock.
- If the jumper isn't falling can he have an impact on the court? Murray doesn't have the PG skills Burke had in college, so he will have to develop a combo-guard game. 28% of Murray's shots were 2 point jumpers and 51.5% of his shots were 3 point jumpers.
- Murray might have over-bearing parents which could be good for support or could be like Benji and Rhonda. Murray's dad pretty much groomed him to be the perfect bball player since he was 3 months old. His dad handled all of his recruiting stuff and the decision of whether or not to reclassify recruiting classes for him. “He took care of everything,” Murray said. “He talked to all the coaches, talked to all the staff members of each team. He really took care of everything so I didn’t have to worry about that." Here's an article and you can decide for yourselves if his dad is crazy or not.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rfect-point-guard-meet-kentuckys-jamal-murray
- They both have "intangibles" as a strength which I think is a really hit or miss thing to translate to the NBA.
In college they both had...
- Great scoring instincts, whether in the pick and roll, shooting off the dribble or catch and shoot, and getting into the lane. However, they both relied on herky-jerky hesitation moves because of their lack of elite burst and athleticism so I wonder if he can create at the NBA level. Murray shot a lot of floaters in the NCAA that I don't think he will be able to get off in the NBA. Murray shot 59% at the rim (28% assisted) in college (source: Draftexpress) and took 20.4% of his shots at the rim (source: Hoopmath). Per Hoopmath Trey Burke shot 24% of his shots (17% assisted) at the rim converting on 63% of his attempts. Trey only shot 52% at the rim in the half-court and didn't have as good of a floater game or as good of a left-hand as Murray. Both would resort to tough floaters if they couldn't get to the rim.
- Both had very deep range in college. Murray was a better shooter, but Trey was certainly no slouch either: 44% off the catch, 42% off the bounce per Draftexpress.
- Trey actually seemed better creating separation in college with stepbacks and a tighter handle. Murray has kind of a low and slow-ish release, so I wonder if he can get his shot off against long and athletic NBA wings.
- On defense they both try hard, but they are limited by their size and athleticism. Trey and Jamal both get crushed by screens and have trouble navigating around them. They both really struggled with keeping faster guards from driving to the basket.
- They both go into hero-ball chucker mode sometimes. Both took a lot of tough jumpers early in the shotclock.
- If the jumper isn't falling can he have an impact on the court? Murray doesn't have the PG skills Burke had in college, so he will have to develop a combo-guard game. 28% of Murray's shots were 2 point jumpers and 51.5% of his shots were 3 point jumpers.
- Murray might have over-bearing parents which could be good for support or could be like Benji and Rhonda. Murray's dad pretty much groomed him to be the perfect bball player since he was 3 months old. His dad handled all of his recruiting stuff and the decision of whether or not to reclassify recruiting classes for him. “He took care of everything,” Murray said. “He talked to all the coaches, talked to all the staff members of each team. He really took care of everything so I didn’t have to worry about that." Here's an article and you can decide for yourselves if his dad is crazy or not.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rfect-point-guard-meet-kentuckys-jamal-murray
- They both have "intangibles" as a strength which I think is a really hit or miss thing to translate to the NBA.
Interesting note on Taurean Prince....
Prince played at Baylor where Dennis Lindsey's son was a Freshman. He will have a unique perspective on Prince.
Prince played at Baylor where Dennis Lindsey's son was a Freshman. He will have a unique perspective on Prince.
Miggs
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This is very fascinating to me. I wonder if Prince knew who Lindsey was from early on (he'd have to, no?) and was on his best behavior all season because of it.
Park Bites
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This is me also.
Park Bites
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I am pulling the maker train out of the station. Who's on board?
I am completely open to trading down to get him. I like the idea of 15 and 19.
I am completely open to trading down to get him. I like the idea of 15 and 19.
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.
I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---
1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---
1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
